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2 hours ago, BreaKKer said:

TF-30s don't weigh the same as F110s

 

Was never talking about the A. Was saying that if what you said is true, i.e. that the empty weight of 43,735 lbs for the B/D listed in NAVAAIR is with Phoenix pylons on, then it should be a good deal lower without said pylons, as in clean empty weight.  Meanwhile the DCS F-14B  has a clean empty weight of 44,040 lbs, no pylons, no tanks.

 

 


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On 8/28/2021 at 9:52 AM, captain_dalan said:

But if the pallets were never removed: 


Not sure what you mean by pallets, but if you’re talking about the Phoenix rails on 3/4/5/6 they are very quick-changeable, and at least in the 80s and early 90s they were removed/swapped in and out a lot. We rarely if ever carried four Phoenix. The two most common load outs during that time were 2/2/2 (patrol loadout) and 4/4/0 (ACM loadout). When carrying two Phoenix, we did not carry Phoenix rails on 4 and 5. Phoenix rails (and fairings) can be swapped out in less than 30 minutes. 
 

I’m sure standard loadouts varied by region and air wing. But the point is that rails and adapters are very much quick-change items and there’s no reason based in realism to include them in basic empty weight. 

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@Spiceman On the 2/2/2 patrol load out, was it Phoenix on 3 and 6, Sparrow on 4 and 5, Sidewinder on 1 an 8?

 

For the ACM loadout, I imagine the Sparrows were in the tunnel and Sidewinders on the gloves?

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5 minutes ago, Diesel_Thunder said:

@Spiceman On the 2/2/2 patrol load out, was it Phoenix on 3 and 6, Sparrow on 4 and 5, Sidewinder on 1 an 8?

 

For the ACM loadout, I imagine the Sparrows were in the tunnel and Sidewinders on the gloves?

Yes. back phoenix rails were usually removed for the 2-2-2. Just for example, this is a 2-3-2800px-F-14A_VF-33_DSCAP.png


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5 hours ago, BreaKKer said:

Yes. back phoenix rails were usually removed for the 2-2-2. Just for example, this is a 2-3-2800px-F-14A_VF-33_DSCAP.png

 

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9 hours ago, Spiceman said:


But the point is that rails and adapters are very much quick-change items and there’s no reason based in realism to include them in basic empty weight. 

Ah, i just thought HB may have decided to keep the on at all times if this was considered standard practice and thus simplify things weight and drag wise. 

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6 hours ago, kseremak said:

Does it mean F-14A and B are too heavy right now in pylon-less configurations, like 4 Sparrows between engines or clean? Or too light in Phoenix and pylons configuration?

 

That's what we were trying to establish 🙂

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On 8/29/2021 at 12:01 PM, Diesel_Thunder said:

@Spiceman On the 2/2/2 patrol load out, was it Phoenix on 3 and 6, Sparrow on 4 and 5, Sidewinder on 1 an 8?

 

For the ACM loadout, I imagine the Sparrows were in the tunnel and Sidewinders on the gloves?


Yes, 2/2/2 was Phoenix on 3/6, Sparrows on the wings. We never carried Phoenix on the wings in VF-41 during my time (mid-late 80s, early 90s). I’m sure it became more popular with the C (coolanol to the wings was a nightmare) and with the LANTIRN. 

 

Yes, ACM loadout was four Sparrows on the belly (never heard it called a tunnel in the real world). 

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