MARLAN_ Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 When exiting STT (Undesignate or RTS), Radar Memory is cleared requiring you to reacquire trackfiles. Radar should retain memory of trackfiles. 2 Virtual CVW-8 - The mission of Virtual Carrier Air Wing EIGHT is to provide its members with an organization committed to presenting an authentic representation of U.S. Navy Carrier Air Wing operations in training and combat environments based on the real world experience of its real fighter pilots, air intercept controllers, airbosses, and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sights Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I thought on the F-16 track files were only collected in TWS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I thought on the F-16 track files were only collected in TWS?Good thing this is the F-18 then and trackfile processing happens all the time. This is well reported. Even more, MSI processing should not stop between RWS/TWS and STT so any transition should be seamless (and you should be able to select a different MSI trackfile as the L&S, while in STT). Processing should only stop in ACM. 6 The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak525 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 As Harker said this is related to MSI as a whole. A total rework of trackfile memory is required so this report can really fall under the gigantic umbrella of "totally rework the A/A system/MSI". But the reported issue is a bug. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo410 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 He used AACQ to get the lock, I would expect the radar to operate as depicted. A normal STT command, should retain any trackfiles until they age out. And it likely changed from OFP to OFP. I haven't tried it without AACQ, so maybe have a look and see if it still clears it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak525 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Mo410 said: He used AACQ to get the lock, I would expect the radar to operate as depicted. A normal STT command, should retain any trackfiles until they age out. And it likely changed from OFP to OFP. I haven't tried it without AACQ, so maybe have a look and see if it still clears it out. I think he's talking about the fact the STT target trackfile is dropped upon exiting STT. Is that what you mean or are you talking about something else? Cause I figure the method by which STT is entered doesn't impact whether the track is dropped on return to search.. one niche case I'd think of being with the Gun selected you'd go to Gun Acquisition mode so the track would have to drop. Watch the video closely, it's confusing cause it's looped, but after exiting STT, the trackfile reverts to a SURV-only trackfile immediately. Thus the radar contribution is immediately dropped by the return to search command, which shouldn't happen under any case, right? Edited September 13, 2021 by Jak525 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo410 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 So I would expect any lock out of an auto acq mode, including gun, boresight, or AACQ to immediately dump everything except the track it is try to lock. Upon exiting STT after entering from an ACM mode, including AACQ, I would not expect to see any track files immediately, but would expect the Link / interrogator tracks to reappear shortly afterwards for link, and after a CIT hit (not in this case though). Radar tracks would return as the radar processed them. The looped gif is a bit difficult to interpret. I'm on the fence if AACQ should behave this way since it is very rarely used at all, it may be a bug - what is shown is how it would work from an ACM mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrusty Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Hey, for all these folks that asked at one time or another: 'how to undesignate w/o having anything else designated'... meaning of course 'how to get rid of all tracks' (I guess they wished to see the scope the way it looked when they entered A/A mode). Enter STT then undesignate, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARLAN_ Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) AACQ is not an ACM mode, it is the recommended way to enter STT if you have Radar SA (TDC Depress is not a good way to do it, you should castle/SCS right) you can't even activate AACQ in ACM, you have BST/HACQ/LHACQ/WACQ/VACQ/GACQ in ACM. Regardless, this bug still occurs even if you TDC Depress on the brick/track. Edited September 14, 2021 by MARLAN_ Virtual CVW-8 - The mission of Virtual Carrier Air Wing EIGHT is to provide its members with an organization committed to presenting an authentic representation of U.S. Navy Carrier Air Wing operations in training and combat environments based on the real world experience of its real fighter pilots, air intercept controllers, airbosses, and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo410 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Recommended by whom? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sav07 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 G'day ED, When transitioning from STT to TWS through the push button the track file is lost until TWS "rebuilds" the track file. When employing missiles this causes the shot to be "lost". This is a similar but different bug to the previously reported MSI and TWS bugs. Thanks for looking into this bug. Sav STT push to TWS.trk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARLAN_ Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) Entering STT and then pressing PB10 (TWS) which was fixed this patch (it broke the B-Sweep to enter TWS AUTO before the patch) still clears radar memory, making it a poor way to enter TWS AUTO. Radar Memory should not be cleared by exiting STT. Edited September 21, 2021 by MARLAN_ 1 1 Virtual CVW-8 - The mission of Virtual Carrier Air Wing EIGHT is to provide its members with an organization committed to presenting an authentic representation of U.S. Navy Carrier Air Wing operations in training and combat environments based on the real world experience of its real fighter pilots, air intercept controllers, airbosses, and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARLAN_ Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) @BIGNEWY Attached track. STT acquired, returned to search, memory lost and takes much time to reacquire target. It is in 6B/140 to show the error (standard sanitization preset anyways) but memory should not be lost when exiting STT, this makes STT PB10 useless. Track also shows at the end, the STT trackfile is being produced immediately, with a mach of 15000 or something, which may be causing other errors down the chain. STTbreaksRadarMemory.trk Edited September 21, 2021 by MARLAN_ Virtual CVW-8 - The mission of Virtual Carrier Air Wing EIGHT is to provide its members with an organization committed to presenting an authentic representation of U.S. Navy Carrier Air Wing operations in training and combat environments based on the real world experience of its real fighter pilots, air intercept controllers, airbosses, and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulkbust44 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 So I would expect any lock out of an auto acq mode, including gun, boresight, or AACQ to immediately dump everything except the track it is try to lock. Upon exiting STT after entering from an ACM mode, including AACQ.Well MSI trackfile processing/extrapolation wouldn't stop until after the track MEM limit has been reached right? This would be if the radar was the only contributing sensor.I mean, it can't just drop everything right? Look at 1Look RAID. Your in a STT but can still see the system trackfiles as they continue to exist. This makes sense as you can have a separate STT, L+S, and DT2 per the docs.Mobius708 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sav07 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 G'day ED, any updates to the bug? Sav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholozor Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I believe this thread is related to the same issue regarding undesignating or RTS: REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 25, 2021 ED Team Share Posted October 25, 2021 threads merged reported, thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 DCS 2.7.8.16140 Open Beta When selecting the TWS option on OSB 10, while in STT, the radar should exit STT and enter TWS AUTO the L&S. It should not drop the L&S at any point. In DCS, it exits STT, drops the L&S and enters a TWS AUTO scan centered in the middle of the tactical region. If the previous L&S is inside these limits and is detected, it will be automatically re-designated as L&S and TWS AUTO will be centered on it. If the previous L&S is not inside these limits, it gets dropped, doesn't get detected again and the pilot needs to manually adjust the radar in order to detect it again and manually designate it. This is likely caused by the fact that the L&S is dropped upon exiting STT and thus TWS AUTO does not have an L&S initially. What should happen is a smooth transition from STT to TWS AUTO, where the L&S is not dropped after exiting STT and TWS AUTO starts on it, not at the center of the display. Track attached. STT to TWS AUTO not centering on L&S.trk 2 The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tholozor Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Perhaps related to this? 1 REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harker Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, Tholozor said: Perhaps related to this? This is probably either part of the problem or the whole problem, yes. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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