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Hello everyone,

 

i would like to hear your thoughts about Caucasus map but set in WWII era, what do you think?

From my side it is just a rushed idea, i do not know much about areal operations in that period and that setting, though if ED or any 3rd party would create the same map with current graphics and WWII setting it would bring a ton of possible operations players could recreate (either realistic or fictional).

 

Even though there is already Caucasus in the game, i know it would still have to be created from the scratch, but i think this would be worth it.

Honestly i hunger for graphical eyecandy Caucasus. Not get me wrong the current map looks good, but compared to what Syria or Marianas looks like you can see the ''defects'' of this map. 

I like flying in mountainous areas, over various forests / jungles, valleys... This map would have it all, also for future WWII carrier operations.

 

I hope WWII assets pack will keep expanding, and with this map there would be even more reasons to. :grin:

 

(And of course i am not expecting free stuff)

 

Feel free to share your thoughts. 

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On 9/21/2021 at 11:08 AM, Matis said:

Hello everyone,

 

i would like to hear your thoughts about Caucasus map but set in WWII era, what do you think?

From my side it is just a rushed idea, i do not know much about areal operations in that period and that setting, though if ED or any 3rd party would create the same map with current graphics and WWII setting it would bring a ton of possible operations players could recreate (either realistic or fictional).

 

Even though there is already Caucasus in the game, i know it would still have to be created from the scratch, but i think this would be worth it.

Honestly i hunger for graphical eyecandy Caucasus. Not get me wrong the current map looks good, but compared to what Syria or Marianas looks like you can see the ''defects'' of this map. 

I like flying in mountainous areas, over various forests / jungles, valleys... This map would have it all, also for future WWII carrier operations.

 

I hope WWII assets pack will keep expanding, and with this map there would be even more reasons to. :grin:

 

(And of course i am not expecting free stuff)

 

Feel free to share your thoughts. 

+1 on the Eastern front idea. Nothing stopping you from using the WWII assets on the Caucasus map though. The map we have is a little too far east, but what we need more than anything are WWII Russian assets. In terms of maps though, what would be a better fit as the next Europe expansion would be West of Berlin. But an East Germany/poland/Belorussia map would be great if we could get the assets to go with it.  

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I once met a man who fought there…

I don’t know for sure, but looking at the unit history the areas around Nalchik - Mayskiy - Mozdok - Beslan would have been about the front line / FEBA at the time for that particular unit

… so very much on our map


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The German front line barely crossed into the detailed part of our map. And while @razo+r is quite right in saying that our map lays mostly south of the WWII front line, the detailed part of our map is also a lot farther East from where the German front line was. My choice of words was following the name of the front itself. But in order to recreate WWII scenarios on the Eastern front, we would really need a new map.

 

 


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55 minutes ago, Callsign112 said:

The German front line barely crossed into the detailed part of our map. And while @razo+r is quite right in saying that our map lays mostly south of the WWII front line, the detailed part of our map is also a lot farther East from where the German front line was. My choice of words was following the name of the front itself. But in order to recreate WWII scenarios on the Eastern front, we would really need a new map.

 

 

 

The problem with that vid is the small scale…

Pause it for early Nov 42 and you’ll see that the western coastal area had been occupied, as well as Krasnodar and Maikop inland.  At the furthest German push eastwards, the forward elements failed to reach Grozny, having run into heavy resistance along the Terek river around Malgobek and Mozdok

Timescale covers the 4 years from May 41 to May 45. The former soldier I met fought on the eastern front for 6 years 😮

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Yeah I agree, that's why I said; "the German front line barely crossed into the detailed part of the map we have". But I use all the maps to simulate various locations. That is why I suggested that nothing is stopping the OP from using the WWII assets on this map. Although I liked his suggestion for a WWII Caucasus map, it wouldn't change much in terms of the historical battles, because the map we have doesn't cover the Eastern Front. 

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The Crimea salient saw a lot of WWII combat, including major air engagements from 1941-1944. The siege of  Sevastopol being one of the epic battles there.

Maybe they could detail the already existing map as a WWII environment & create a hybrid of the free Caucasus Map? It is not being used anyway & is about the same size as the Channel map (which is really just an extension of the Normandy Map as well)

Can use the existing I-16 (Russia), Me-109K,FW-190A & D, Ju-88 (German), A-20G & Spitfire (Lend-Lease) I know some of the German stuff is quite late war, but can pretend is earlier models. What are the I-16 owners fighting now, anyway?

Ground units would have to be Lend Lease for Russians, as have no dedicated units yet (e.g. Sherman, Churchill, Trucks, Jeep etc)

I'm quite surprised Eagle Dynamics - a company with Russian roots has not developed more Russian Aircraft or Assets for WWII, or indicated any movement in that direction?

But if they could develop the WWII area with an existing map - could launch a great platform to start an Eastern Front module with more aircraft (AI & Flyable) plus ground assets down the line. I know the purists might moan - but that area of the Caucasus is not used now anyway & could get the best of both worlds. Also will be less work & faster that a totally new map. But new map can also be done further down the line as well.

My 2 cents worth 😀

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On 11/23/2021 at 4:21 PM, ggrewe said:

I'm quite surprised Eagle Dynamics - a company with Russian roots has not developed more Russian Aircraft or Assets for WWII, or indicated any movement in that direction?

Only speculating, but I think it may be a perceived lack of interest compared to other fronts, and the fact that IL-2 has soaked up a lot of the eastern front market.

I'd like to see some more Eastern front stuff in DCS. I think with careful selection of AI aircraft and modules, it could be done quite well. The German stuff works on any ETO front, and the USSR used a lot of US/British equipment, used in the ETO as well as the Pacific, so picking AI assets and modules with the most crossover with the other maps we have, should probably be a the main decider of which Eastern front map to do. To keep that efficiency of effort.

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On 1/18/2022 at 8:15 AM, Grievo said:

Only speculating, but I think it may be a perceived lack of interest compared to other fronts, and the fact that IL-2 has soaked up a lot of the eastern front market.

I'd like to see some more Eastern front stuff in DCS. I think with careful selection of AI aircraft and modules, it could be done quite well. The German stuff works on any ETO front, and the USSR used a lot of US/British equipment, used in the ETO as well as the Pacific, so picking AI assets and modules with the most crossover with the other maps we have, should probably be a the main decider of which Eastern front map to do. To keep that efficiency of effort.

Its either that, or ED just doesn't have enough people to do the work. Even the projects they have committed to seem to struggle in terms of assets/planes/maps. I don't know why they can't hire more people, attract more 3rd parties, or try and get what is obviously a very capable and dedicated modder community to get more involved in an official way.

DCS World is quite different from IL2, and I think if your here because your attracted to ED's approach, then it shouldn't matter much what map IL2 has, a DCS World version of it should do well IMO.

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