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[markturner1960]

I was doing some air to ground practice in a mission today and was maybe lets say being a bit "ham handed" & unsympathetic to the poor old jet, ( Piling on the G's in the turns when loaded ect)  firstly I noticed that it was becoming somewhat unresponsive - I had to really be slow and steady with the controls. Carried out another dive bomb attack and when rolling out aquire the target,. the jet was all over the place...then there was bang and the wing came off!!!! 

 

When the jet first started feeling "not normal" 5 minutes previously, I did wonder if anything was wrong, but could see no cautions etc...

 

So is it modelled that the jet can be damaged by insensitive handling in this situation? and why no warnings? I would have thought the FCS would step in etc and you would at least get some cautions etc? 

 

I have many hours in the jet and never had anything like this happen before so am curious ? Random failures is off as well.....

 

Thanks

Edited October 3, 2021 by markturner1960

[Steel Jaw]

Curious.  I have logged hundreds of hours in this jet and havent noticed that as yet.

[Svend_Dellepude]

Did somebody shoot at you?

[Brass2-1]

I succeed in ripping a wing off once, but I was literally trying to do so and overriding the G-limiter at very high speeds. I’ve never noticed airframe/FCS damage from mishandling aside from that. 

[Dragon1-1]

Unlike in the Viper, in the Hornet the G limiter is "one size fits all", and as such, it's configured for air combat. If you're pulling 7G or so with big payload under the wings, they'll bend and break eventually. FCS is not magic, it can only do so much. 

 

As for warnings, you did get one: degraded aircraft handling. There are no structural integrity sensors in the Hornet, and as it happened, no other system has failed first. IRL, you'd probably get stores malfunctions before the wings came off, but that particular failure isn't simulated in DCS.

[markturner1960]

Thanks, no, no shooting as far as I am aware, it was the range. I have noticed in the past on a couple of occasions that the controls can become a little unresponsive and the jet becomes a bit of a handful if you try to hard with the yanking and banking.......but was fairly sure I had not broken anything as it kind of came back to me after I eased off and got her straight and level again.......anyone else notice this? I guess you have to remember, its not a TIE fighter and there is such thing as gravity!! 

 

@Mower, yes, me too, currently at 600+ hours and never had this happen before.....

 

I remember from Falcon days, the FCS restricts what the jet can do depending on the loading - no such animal in the Hornet

Edited October 4, 2021 by markturner1960

[Svend_Dellepude]

6 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Unlike in the Viper, in the Hornet the G limiter is "one size fits all", and as such, it's configured for air combat. If you're pulling 7G or so with big payload under the wings, they'll bend and break eventually. FCS is not magic, it can only do so much. 

 

As for warnings, you did get one: degraded aircraft handling. There are no structural integrity sensors in the Hornet, and as it happened, no other system has failed first. IRL, you'd probably get stores malfunctions before the wings came off, but that particular failure isn't simulated in DCS.

 

g limit in the Hornet is weight dependent and not a "one size fits all". FCS page will show available g at all times. The viper on the other hand is AoA limited in cat 3 but not G limited AFAIK.

[Krippz]

Seems like there's a lot of context missing but from what I can gather it seems that the author is referring to g-load limitations for pylon/stores. Seems like he exceeded them and it damaged the airframe. 

[Hazardpro]

On 10/4/2021 at 10:06 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

Unlike in the Viper, in the Hornet the G limiter is "one size fits all", and as such, it's configured for air combat. If you're pulling 7G or so with big payload under the wings, they'll bend and break eventually. FCS is not magic, it can only do so much. 

 

As for warnings, you did get one: degraded aircraft handling. There are no structural integrity sensors in the Hornet, and as it happened, no other system has failed first. IRL, you'd probably get stores malfunctions before the wings came off, but that particular failure isn't simulated in DCS.

 

This is nonsense. First of all, there is no g-limiter in the Viper. Second of all, its highly unlikely that any aircraft, military or civilian, will have anything mounted to the wings in such a way that the mounts can take a stronger load than what the wing can actually handle before failing. That would be a gross engineering negligence. 

[Jenson]

carry 4 gbu-10, full afterburner diving for 30 degree from 30k to reach supersonic, at around 5k ft, pull your stick to the end while clicking pinky paddle to override G-limit, you might get a chance to break your wings. 

[oldcrusty]

11 hours ago, Jenson said:

carry 4 gbu-10, full afterburner diving for 30 degree from 30k to reach supersonic, at around 5k ft, pull your stick to the end while clicking pinky paddle to override G-limit, you might get a chance to break your wings. 

 

Heavy loads or not, the jet was happily ripping through the air at 9.7 g. After few seconds, of course I was asleep...

 

If you really want to get rid of your wings, accelerate to about M.9 or more in a level flight, flip the FCS gain switch to override, push the stick all the way forward and let go. When you see the pitch oscillations picking up, pull the stick all the way back. When the nose goes up to 15/20 deg., you'll see a nice orange glow in the mirrors.

[Cab]

On 10/6/2021 at 2:23 AM, Hazardpro said:

 

This is nonsense. First of all, there is no g-limiter in the Viper.

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[Svend_Dellepude]

This thread is nonsense.

[markturner1960]

I only wanted to know what I was doing wrong.........

[oldcrusty]

12 hours ago, markturner1960 said:

I only wanted to know what I was doing wrong.........

 

That's why I always record a vid (a track at least) of every hop I make.