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I was having major VR performance issues with massive stutters making VR unplayable. A simple button switch to off and it solved my problem. I was going nuts reinstalling w10 and w11 multiple times before finding out i forgot about checking HAGS.

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22 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

HAGS is still awful in VR (in my experience) it seems to fight with ASW/Motion Smoothing for a suboptimal experience.

So what seems to happen is this HAGS wants VR to run at 60FPS, and it gets in the way of 90, at 60hz with Motion Smoothing Off, it is some of the smoothest game play i have seen! So if you can deal with 60hz (or if anyone knows where hags is getting its 60) from then ping me) give it a go

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9 minutes ago, RvL said:

I was having major VR performance issues with massive stutters making VR unplayable. A simple button switch to off and it solved my problem. I was going nuts reinstalling w10 and w11 multiple times before finding out i forgot about checking HAGS.

If I had read this before deciding to go back to W10 I would have tried it. Unfortunately I wasn't that pacient.

In any case, going to try DCS VR on W10 and maybe I'll upgrade again to W11 after that and see if HAGS was the culprit.

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1 minute ago, speed-of-heat said:

So what seems to happen is this HAGS wants VR to run at 60FPS, and it gets in the way of 90, at 60hz with Motion Smoothing Off, it is some of the smoothest game play i have seen! So if you can deal with 60hz (or if anyone knows where hags is getting its 60) from then ping me) give it a go

60Hz for life! 😄
Will give it a try with HAGS and no smoothing, this will probably break the lovely smooth gameplay I already have but I'll try anything at least once!

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4 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

So what seems to happen is this HAGS wants VR to run at 60FPS, and it gets in the way of 90, at 60hz with Motion Smoothing Off, it is some of the smoothest game play i have seen! So if you can deal with 60hz (or if anyone knows where hags is getting its 60) from then ping me) give it a go

My problem was also that my CPU only was being used at 10% with terrible frametimes (mid to upper 20s) and my GPU was at 10 ms.

Does HAGS cause that as well?

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Just now, Al-Azraq said:

If I had read this before deciding to go back to W10 I would have tried it. Unfortunately I wasn't that pacient.

In any case, going to try DCS VR on W10 and maybe I'll upgrade again to W11 after that and see if HAGS was the culprit.

Yeah i know that feeling. Wanting to solve it as quick as possible.

In my opinion its worth the shot trying once more and disabling HAGS. Im quite sure that had to be the problem. Good luck! Let us know when your doing it if it solved your problem.

3 minutes ago, edmuss said:

60Hz for life! 😄
Will give it a try with HAGS and no smoothing, this will probably break the lovely smooth gameplay I already have but I'll try anything at least 

I cant get used to the flickers. I do enjoy the smoother gameplay. But the visuals, the flicker is too distracting

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18 minutes ago, Al-Azraq said:

My problem was also that my CPU only was being used at 10% with terrible frametimes (mid to upper 20s) and my GPU was at 10 ms.

Does HAGS cause that as well?

Your CPU is only being used at about 10%... people should stop looking at CPU utilisation as it is a function of the total number of cores ... and DCS only uses 2-4 

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21 minutes ago, RvL said:

I cant get used to the flickers. I do enjoy the smoother gameplay. But the visuals, the flicker is too distracting

I don't know why the refresh rate flicker doesn't bother me, when I first started using VR with my lenovo explorer in DCS I tested out 60Hz mode but didn't significantly notice any difference but then I wasn't using motion smoothing as the resolution was much lower and the GPU requirements of DCS weren't as high as they are now.

Once I got the G2 I tried it initially at 90Hz but was lacking in horsepower with a 1070 so knocked it down to 60Hz to get the extra headroom to allow smoothing to work.  I noticed the flicker for about 20 minutes but it is completely invisible to me now, even switching 90Hz straight back to 60Hz I can't tell the difference.

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some people are more sensitive than others to the effect of flickering at 60hz... its a thing

 

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5 minutes ago, edmuss said:

I don't know why the refresh rate flicker doesn't bother me, when I first started using VR with my lenovo explorer in DCS I tested out 60Hz mode but didn't significantly notice any difference but then I wasn't using motion smoothing as the resolution was much lower and the GPU requirements of DCS weren't as high as they are now.

Once I got the G2 I tried it initially at 90Hz but was lacking in horsepower with a 1070 so knocked it down to 60Hz to get the extra headroom to allow smoothing to work.  I noticed the flicker for about 20 minutes but it is completely invisible to me now, even switching 90Hz straight back to 60Hz I can't tell the difference.

Wish i could do that. Great you can! Saves some performance headroom.

I cant wait for any vulkan/vr optimalisation. But its taking already so much time.

Overall im pretty happy with my performance even in multiplayer which i only focus on in the F14. I do use Fholgers VR mod which greatly works giving me better performance untill any official VR/Vulkan update is out.

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34 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

Your CPU is only being used at about 10%... people should stop looking at CPU utilisation as it is a function of the total number of cores ... and DCS only uses 2-4 

I know I know, but still a 10% usage is very very low even if DCS is only using 2 cores.

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a 12700K has 20 threads (8 Physical  P Cores with 2 threads each and 4E cores with one thread a piece)  you are using 2 of them thats 10%...  a more useful number to care about is the CPU and GPU frame time, which you can measure with fpsVR in your G2.

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29 minutes ago, Al-Azraq said:

I know I know, but still a 10% usage is very very low even if DCS is only using 2 cores.

Keep hearing this, but on my PC all available cores (4 before on 4670k and 8 now on 12900KF) are loaded equally. I think W11 thread director is shifting the tasks around to load all cores, unless some of them have lower clock.

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20 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

a 12700K has 20 threads (8 Physical  P Cores with 2 threads each and 4E cores with one thread a piece)  you are using 2 of them thats 10%...  a more useful number to care about is the CPU and GPU frame time, which you can measure with fpsVR in your G2.

 

18 minutes ago, impalor said:

Keep hearing this, but on my PC all available cores (4 before on 4670k and 8 now on 12900KF) are loaded equally. I think W11 thread director is shifting the tasks around to load all cores, unless some of them have lower clock.

Thanks both! It makes sense. I will try DCS VR again on W10 in a few hours and let you know, hopefully it was because of HAGS and lets me update to W11 again.

@speed-of-heatwhat usage % do you observe in your 12700KF when using VR? I used FPSVR and the frametime for the CPU was really high, mid to top 20s even in simple Free Flight missions. This was on W11 and didn't check about HAGS so no idea if that was on.

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10 minutes ago, Al-Azraq said:

 

Thanks both! It makes sense. I will try DCS VR again on W10 in a few hours and let you know, hopefully it was because of HAGS and lets me update to W11 again.

@speed-of-heatwhat usage % do you observe in your 12700KF when using VR? I used FPSVR and the frametime for the CPU was really high, mid to top 20s even in simple Free Flight missions. This was on W11 and didn't check about HAGS so no idea if that was on.

I optimized for highest FPS I can get with my 1080ti. On MP servers my cores are loaded 60-70%, GPU 100%. FPS around 60, no reprojection.

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40 minutes ago, Al-Azraq said:

 

Thanks both! It makes sense. I will try DCS VR again on W10 in a few hours and let you know, hopefully it was because of HAGS and lets me update to W11 again.

@speed-of-heatwhat usage % do you observe in your 12700KF when using VR? I used FPSVR and the frametime for the CPU was really high, mid to top 20s even in simple Free Flight missions. This was on W11 and didn't check about HAGS so no idea if that was on.

my CPU frame times are about 6-7ms in my standard test. I really dont look at CPU usage .. its not actually a helpful number, this sounds more like VBS has been turned on not HAGS

 

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38 minutes ago, impalor said:

I optimized for highest FPS I can get with my 1080ti. On MP servers my cores are loaded 60-70%, GPU 100%. FPS around 60, no reprojection.

 

12 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

my CPU frame times are about 6-7ms in my standard test. I really dont look at CPU usage .. its not actually a helpful number, this sounds more like VBS has been turned on not HAGS

 

virtualisation Based Security 

Thanks again to both!

Definitely something was wrong in my configurations, good part is that if you are getting that performance I should be able to as well after I find the culprit.


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22 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

So what seems to happen is this HAGS wants VR to run at 60FPS, and it gets in the way of 90, at 60hz with Motion Smoothing Off, it is some of the smoothest game play i have seen! So if you can deal with 60hz (or if anyone knows where hags is getting its 60) from then ping me) give it a go

 

22 hours ago, edmuss said:

60Hz for life! 😄
Will give it a try with HAGS and no smoothing, this will probably break the lovely smooth gameplay I already have but I'll try anything at least once!

 

Re-enabled HAGS and turned motion smoothing off, I gained 1ms or so but it still gets a little uncomfortable when it gets below 50 fps (the performance increase could possibly be due to HAGS or not having to run smoothing).  No other detriment to having HAGS enabled for me, I've since turned motion smoothing back on and it's all still working correctly.  One thing I have noticed since enabling HAGS is that I don't seem to be getting the VRAM overflow issue any more, previously starting another flight without restarting DCS would result in the GPU frametime graph spiking purple and dropping frames left, right and centre.  More testing needed but something to consider.

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So after getting DCS VR tuned and at the point where I found it comfortable, I decided to give W11 another try. I disabled HAGS and another option concerning variable refresh rate that was right below it.

I am very happy to say that my performance in W11 is the same as in W10 if not better thanks to the better scheduling for Alder Lake. Sure I lost time formatting and whatnot but I have learned some things along the way.

Thanks to everyone in this thread for helping me!

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Hello all, this morning i got the message that i can also upgrade to W11. I'm using a I7-10700K CPU with 32GB DDR4 3600 RAM and a GTX 1070 (I will not buy a new one until the prices are some kind of normal). I still use a Oculus Rift CV1 that works very well for me to this day. 

I have read that Oculus doesn't official recomend the installation of W11 and at this thread two users talked about stutters. Did there change something since the last weeks? Would you recommend the upgrade? Any advice?

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The big issue with Win11 and Quest2 right now is increased stuttering. The fixes that I have seen are using ODT to toggle the console window to being visible constantly or another fix that involves setting the audio merge from the Quest and from the computer (search for this one). Using this fix, flight sims are much smoother and ASW works well.

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55 minutes ago, whitav8 said:

The big issue with Win11 and Quest2 right now is increased stuttering. The fixes that I have seen are using ODT to toggle the console window to being visible constantly or another fix that involves setting the audio merge from the Quest and from the computer (search for this one). Using this fix, flight sims are much smoother and ASW works well.

i had that issue with neededing to switch the console in and out, but since a few windows updates i no longer have that problem. I did have a look for the audio merge thing you mention but cant find in here, mind pointing me to it?

 

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On 1/24/2022 at 10:58 AM, speed-of-heat said:

So what seems to happen is this HAGS wants VR to run at 60FPS, and it gets in the way of 90, at 60hz with Motion Smoothing Off, it is some of the smoothest game play i have seen!

Realy? That is some interesting info there. I can't recognise any flickering with 60hz, so i guess i'll give that a try. Thanks for sharing sir!

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Quick question for Quest2 user , How are you starting DCS with Quest2 . I get an Error . Win11. Pro. 


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