reported K4 sits too low.

[DB 605]

As title says. "Our" 109 sits too low when in ground, i.e not enough pressure in oleos compared to real one. Currently it sits legs almost fully compressed while in reality they should be closer to fully extented when static. It's impossible to take pics exactly same angle as real one but here is some comparison shots; should be easy enough to see what i mean.

I tested both full load and empty, no visible difference.

 

 

 

Now let's take a closer look of leg itsel; first real K4.

 

I will continue on next post.

Edited October 18, 2021 by DB 605

[DB 605]

 

 

 

Another comparison to G10 leg;

Easy to see how much lower 109 sits in game, pay attention to gear door also (the part that slides in when plane is in ground. They should only overlap each other by few centimeters.

As soon as plane is on air and leg is extented, we can see 3d model is correct, it just sits too low when on ground. In reality in should probably sit around 5-10cm from fully extented, in game it's probaly more than 15cm judging by looks. Same goes to tail wheel strut wich also sits too low in game.

Irl the chrome part should be visible about same amount as the thicker part.

It's not a big issue but it makes 109 looks dwarfish when on ground, should not be hard to correct either i guess.

Edited October 18, 2021 by DB 605

[Lurker]

How much fuel is in those birds in the pictures? Are they fully fueled? Are they fully loaded with weapons and ammunition? I have no idea if compresibility of the landing gear is modeled in DCS World for the 109 and even if it takes the aircraft's total mass into account. 

[DB 605]

37 minutes ago, Lurker said:

How much fuel is in those birds in the pictures? Are they fully fueled? Are they fully loaded with weapons and ammunition? I have no idea if compresibility of the landing gear is modeled in DCS World for the 109 and even if it takes the aircraft's total mass into account. 

That is of course impossible to say from the wartime pics, but i have compared a lot of pics and there seems not not be much difference in compression even when loaded with drop tanks & stuff, so i guess we are talking about max. few centimeters difference between full load and empty in real one. In DCS there is no noticeable difference too, between loaded/unloaded sag. Compressibility is modelled there, we can see how leg is extented when plane is in the air, it seems to be correctly modelled lenght wise.

Now, when plane is in the air, lenght of landing gear is much closer to (static) real one.

Edited October 18, 2021 by DB 605

[DB 605]

Couple of more comparison shots just for a fun.

DCS with fully loaded ammo/fuel/MW50/drop tank:

DCS empty, no fuel/MW50/ammo:

Red line there marks the end of the thicker part of strut. 

Now, let's assume this real K4 is empty. It's clear that sag in game is way too much.

 

[DB 605]

I was searching pics when i saw these old screenshots from 2014 or something, and what we see here is much closer to how it should be.

Looks so much better with correct "stance". My guess is that at some point in development/updates something went wrong with adjusment and it's been like that since...

Could some of the mods pass this to devs for check, @NineLine or @BIGNEWY ? Thanks.

[cro_mig_21]

Excellent observations IMO. The last pics with early screenshots resemble the photos closely

[DB 605]

Alright, here is some drawings from original K4 type sheet, should be pretty easy for devs to compare if dimensions are in same ballpark in-game.

 

[NineLine]

On 10/18/2021 at 6:57 AM, DB 605 said:

I was searching pics when i saw these old screenshots from 2014 or something, and what we see here is much closer to how it should be.

Looks so much better with correct "stance". My guess is that at some point in development/updates something went wrong with adjusment and it's been like that since...

Could some of the mods pass this to devs for check, @NineLine or @BIGNEWY ? Thanks.

Good catch on the early shots, I will run it by the team.

[NineLine]

Reported, thanks.