Apache Missions you'd like to see

[kgillers3]

7 minutes ago, Mad Dog 762 said:

Yep.  Marianas is not the perfect setting but probably as close as we will get for a while.  

I think you could do some pretty sweet setups in syria or caucus (prolly spelled that wrong) utilizing terrain and kinda navigating low level. I just think if you did marinas you're forcing yourself to low level in the open. but to each their own. 

[e32lover]

Convoy escort would be great, with maybe an ambush along the way with some shoulder launched AA weapons 

[Toni Carrera]

On 11/9/2021 at 3:42 AM, WarriorX said:

The Sunday Supplement email from DCS had a write up of the Desert Storm AH-64 attack that took out the EW radar sites to start the air war.

I think Desert Storm would make a good campaign using the Persian Gulf or Syria map.

I realize that that the AH-64A's were used in that conflict.  the mast mounted millimeter wave radar dome can be optional, which gets closer to the A model.

To me it's just too historic of a mission to pass up making.

This is exactly the first mission I thought of, and have made a start on building. Obviously I am using the AI AH-64D until the greatness of the real thing arrives in our 'Modules Manager'

[Tenebrae Aeternae]

15 hours ago, MrReynolds said:

Perfect example of different strokes.  Having just re-read Apache again - I would love the chance to operate on call CAS - hunting for targets that dip in and out of cover.  No idea of where the target is.

Pre-planned, for me is where I have less interest.

Different strokes

Exactly. Choppers can get really intimate with the enemies, and can react to quickly changing/surprising situations well. Operating so close to friendly troops that real care and presence of mind is required is just fun. Already had some of that few times with Huey and i liked it very much. Doing enough of shooting at waypoints in jets already, now i wanna get my hands dirty.. 

[AmesKahn]

17 hours ago, Enduro14 said:

When we get a Iraq map I’ll give ya quite a few that I bare witness to.

I was thinking the same. I've seen a few from the ground in Sadr City, that would be fun to recreate. 

[vvm13]

On 11/9/2021 at 7:05 AM, FireManDan said:

Russian is trying to bring Georgia back into the fold by using proxy nations in the Middle East to supply weapons, arms, and fighters to start an insurrection.

You must understand that this is pointless. Times have changed. At the present time, it makes sense to seize a territory or control it for a long time only if it has an almost 100% loyal population. Even the United States cannot do anything with a disloyal foreign population. Crimea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia meet this criterion - they are loyal to Russia. Even eastern Ukraine was not annexed, because the level of loyalty of the population to Russia is not high enough. Georgia is not at all a candidate for annexation. It can only be kept suppressed so that it does not join NATO. The appearance of the Apaches in Georgia can mean only one thing - an attempt to repeat the 2008 war in new conditions. But this is also not realistic.

[Remco]

22 minutes ago, vvm13 said:

You must understand that this is pointless. Times have changed. At the present time, it makes sense to seize a territory or control it for a long time only if it has an almost 100% loyal population. Even the United States cannot do anything with a disloyal foreign population. Crimea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia meet this criterion - they are loyal to Russia. Even eastern Ukraine was not annexed, because the level of loyalty of the population to Russia is not high enough. Georgia is not at all a candidate for annexation. It can only be kept suppressed so that it does not join NATO. The appearance of the Apaches in Georgia can mean only one thing - an attempt to repeat the 2008 war in new conditions. But this is also not realistic.

Let's not prevent ourselves from making fun campaigns because in real world 2021 civilian disposition in the regions we have available in game don't line up perfectly with whatever fictional war scenario we are trying to create. There's discussion to be had on levels of realism but this is taking it waaaay to far.

[Mad Dog 762]

Whatever the scenario, the new graphics abilitys in the ME are tailor made for the Apache and A-10.  Being able to make kill boxes or mark FLOTs and such will be very useful.

[LooseSeal]

1 hour ago, vvm13 said:

You must understand that this is pointless. Times have changed. At the present time, it makes sense to seize a territory or control it for a long time only if it has an almost 100% loyal population. Even the United States cannot do anything with a disloyal foreign population. Crimea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia meet this criterion - they are loyal to Russia. Even eastern Ukraine was not annexed, because the level of loyalty of the population to Russia is not high enough. Georgia is not at all a candidate for annexation. It can only be kept suppressed so that it does not join NATO. The appearance of the Apaches in Georgia can mean only one thing - an attempt to repeat the 2008 war in new conditions. But this is also not realistic.

Goodness, this rather strict rule on realism rules out 90% of the current DCS campaigns. Basically all the Hornet campaigns in the Caucuses would be null and void, given carriers can't pass through the Bosphorus. Orrr.... it's a game, not reality, and we can imagine interesting situations that challenge our virtual piloting abilities and is supposed to be fun?

As for me, a mission where we get to strap two Royal Marines to the sides of the bird and fly a rescue mission into hostile territory sounds good  But really, I'm just glad people are out there already planning missions/campaigns like this (because I'm utterly useless with the ME). The more single-player content available at/soon after release the better! Will happily pay for all the campaigns you guys can throw at me. Realistic or not.

[kgillers3]

Let’s plan realistic missions that can only be done realistically in today’s political climate but then let’s also take off over max gross as a single ship without a major coming in to tell you the plan is now different the day of launch wrecking your 49 hours of coffee enraged planning based off of old intel for air threats.   can we pick a side of realism! Gosh

[stormrider]

2 hours ago, vvm13 said:

You must understand that this is pointless. Times have changed. At the present time, it makes sense to seize a territory or control it for a long time only if it has an almost 100% loyal population. Even the United States cannot do anything with a disloyal foreign population. Crimea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia meet this criterion - they are loyal to Russia. Even eastern Ukraine was not annexed, because the level of loyalty of the population to Russia is not high enough. Georgia is not at all a candidate for annexation. It can only be kept suppressed so that it does not join NATO. The appearance of the Apaches in Georgia can mean only one thing - an attempt to repeat the 2008 war in new conditions. But this is also not realistic.

Please, no politics here.

[hannibal]

coop missions from janes lonbow..

[Preendog]

Battle of Mogadishu but this time there are Apaches.

[Tshark]

Just saw the movie "The Outpost".  "Combat Outpost Keating" is basically in a hole and was surrounded by ground attacking forces attacking from all sides at once.  Near the end of the battle Apaches made it onto the scene to combat the attackers.  A mission in similar terrain with steep mountains surrounding the outpost would make for some interesting flying and targeting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Outpost_Keating#/media/File:COP_Keating,_in_Nurestan.jpg

Edited November 11, 2021 by Tshark

[kgillers3]

55 minutes ago, Tshark said:

Just saw the movie "The Outpost".  "Combat Outpost Keating" is basically in a hole and was surrounded by ground attacking forces attacking from all sides at once.  Near the end of the battle Apaches made it onto the scene to combat the attackers.  A mission in similar terrain with steep mountains surrounding the outpost would make for some interesting flying and targeting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Outpost_Keating#/media/File:COP_Keating,_in_Nurestan.jpg

 

Red platoon was a good book I thought on it and pale horse has kind of the aviation perspective from a bn cdrs perspective. But pale horse is a lot more broad strokes over the deployment. 

[agrasyuk]

Personally I'm really looking forward flying IAF support missions for ground troops in southern Lebanon buffer zone. 

[gnomechild]

On 11/10/2021 at 12:11 PM, kgillers3 said:

Let’s plan realistic missions that can only be done realistically in today’s political climate but then let’s also take off over max gross as a single ship without a major coming in to tell you the plan is now different the day of launch wrecking your 49 hours of coffee enraged planning based off of old intel for air threats.   can we pick a side of realism! Gosh

Next you'll tell me that people should be allowed to play DCS without first pretending to go through years of military training. Don't be ridiculous

[kgillers3]

32 minutes ago, gnomechild said:

Next you'll tell me that people should be allowed to play DCS without first pretending to go through years of military training. Don't be ridiculous

It was sarcasm back at homie sayin the force on force stuff is pointless. 

Seemed pretty apparent with the ridiculous back and forth within my sarcastic post but I like the call out 

Edited November 12, 2021 by kgillers3

[gnomechild]

23 minutes ago, kgillers3 said:

It was sarcasm back at homie sayin the force on force stuff is pointless. 

Seemed pretty apparent with the ridiculous back and forth within my sarcastic post but I like the call out 

 

Lol I was being sarcastic too. I thought that was obvious but I guess someone on this forum thinking you need pretend military training before playing a game isn't that far fetched

Edited November 12, 2021 by gnomechild

[kgillers3]

3 minutes ago, gnomechild said:

Lol I was being sarcastic too. I thought that was obvious but I guess someone on this forum thinking you need pretend military training before playing a game isn't that far fetched

 

@Remco and I literally got told that we wouldn’t say Tads on this forum! 
 

but I’m back with ya now

[Remco]

12 minutes ago, kgillers3 said:

@Remco and I literally got told that we wouldn’t say Tads on this forum! 
 

but I’m back with ya now

The forums are a special place

[Rabies]

Being from a Cold War aviation unit stationed in Germany. I would honestly enjoy a campaign from that era or an adversary with todays military technology, of facing a modernised mechanised armoured unit of Russia or China. Back in the day, my unit was given less than 24 hours of combat effectiveness if the USSR decided to cross the East German border. It’s time DCS players faced a contemporary adversary and not some dude with an AK-47  

Edited November 12, 2021 by Rabies

[stormrider]

5 hours ago, Rabies said:

Being from a Cold War aviation unit stationed in Germany. I would honestly enjoy a campaign from that era or an adversary with todays military technology, of facing a modernised mechanised armoured unit of Russia or China. Back in the day, my unit was given less than 24 hours of combat effectiveness if the USSR decided to cross the East German border. It’s time DCS players faced a contemporary adversary and not some dude with an AK-47  

 

Couldn't agree more.

[bies]

On 11/10/2021 at 5:06 PM, vvm13 said:

The appearance of the Apaches in Georgia can mean only one thing - an attempt to repeat the 2008 war in new conditions. But this is also not realistic.

Well, to be honest this sounds like a really great and really interesting idea.

 

There are three levels of scenario realism

1) Unrealistic: soup of aircrafts and assets from different timeframes, unrealistic coalitions, fighting on different timeframe map in scenario impossible to happen. Like US Navy vs USAF in 2020 Map Strait of Hormuz...

2) Realistic: real life war with real life aircrafts and assets used historically on proper map - recreation of history. Like 1960s Vietnam war, 1950s Korean War, 1980s Iraq-Iran War, 1990s Desert Storm etc.

3) Plausible: coherent aircrafts and assets from one particular timeframe fighting in some plausible war/coalition on proper map. Like Cold War gone hot in Europe or, proposed by you, Apache in 2008 Georgian war.

 

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Actually US Army sending 2008 Medium Combat Aviation Brigade with Apache Longbow battalion and Kiowa Warrior squadron in 2008 to help Georgia to fight off Russian invasion is quite plausible, like most other DCS campaigns we have i.e. Ka-50 campaigns in Georgia. And it sounds fun as hell! Really it's the best idea of Longbow Apache campaign i've heard so far.

Symmetrical opponent with tanks, SAM, AAA, aviation instead of some helpless insurgencies on the desert? check,

NATO vs. Soviets vibes? check,

proper war map, with complicated land relief favourable for helicopter operations? check,

proper war 2008 timeframe coherent with our Apache variant? check,

plausible scenario which could happen IRL with slightly different political calculation? check

Edited November 13, 2021 by bies

[MIghtymoo]

On 11/12/2021 at 10:21 PM, bies said:

Well, to be honest this sounds like a really great and really interesting idea.

 

There are three levels of scenario realism

1) Unrealistic: soup of aircrafts and assets from different timeframes, unrealistic coalitions, fighting on different timeframe map in scenario impossible to happen. Like US Navy vs USAF in 2020 Map Strait of Hormuz...

2) Realistic: real life war with real life aircrafts and assets used historically on proper map - recreation of history. Like 1960s Vietnam war, 1950s Korean War, 1980s Iraq-Iran War, 1990s Desert Storm etc.

3) Plausible: coherent aircrafts and assets from one particular timeframe fighting in some plausible war/coalition on proper map. Like Cold War gone hot in Europe or, proposed by you, Apache in 2008 Georgian war.

 

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Actually US Army sending 2008 Medium Combat Aviation Brigade with Apache Longbow battalion and Kiowa Warrior squadron in 2008 to help Georgia to fight off Russian invasion is quite plausible, like most other DCS campaigns we have i.e. Ka-50 campaigns in Georgia. And it sounds fun as hell! Really it's the best idea of Longbow Apache campaign i've heard so far.

Symmetrical opponent with tanks, SAM, AAA, aviation instead of some helpless insurgencies on the desert? check,

NATO vs. Soviets vibes? check,

proper war map, with complicated land relief favourable for helicopter operations? check,

proper war 2008 timeframe coherent with our Apache variant? check,

plausible scenario which could happen IRL with slightly different political calculation? check

 

And all scenarios can be just as fun

It is a sim and sandbox.