GaryM05 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 What about trying to re-create the campaign from the original Jane's Longbow (the pre-3D-accelerated one)? Not LB2 that everyone remembers and loves, but LB1? I never played it, but I bought it and the strategy guide (because back in the late 90's I'd buy anything sim-related I could get my hands on, just in case), and my understanding/recollection is that it revolved around a scenario where the CIS/Russia was trying to annex Georgia/Ukraine/etc. Maybe the default DCS map is close enough to the same part of the world where such a thing might be plausibly re-created here in DCS, 25 years later? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobakopes Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) All choppers are best played in semi partisan local conflict environment like Afghanistan and Chechnya. Plinking tanks with guided missiles gets old fast. The game plays itself and it's too easy. S8, cannons, hydra rockets are much more involving and hands on. Especially now that we will have Mpsm and flechette warheads. Local conflict with a rare tank, ifv in between. Bandit strongholds, caches etc. Man pads, zptu dshk etc Edited November 16, 2021 by Sobakopes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobakopes Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 10.11.2021 в 19:06, vvm13 сказал: You must understand that this is pointless. Times have changed. At the present time, it makes sense to seize a territory or control it for a long time only if it has an almost 100% loyal population. Even the United States cannot do anything with a disloyal foreign population. Crimea, Abkhazia and South Ossetia meet this criterion - they are loyal to Russia. Even eastern Ukraine was not annexed, because the level of loyalty of the population to Russia is not high enough. Georgia is not at all a candidate for annexation. It can only be kept suppressed so that it does not join NATO. The appearance of the Apaches in Georgia can mean only one thing - an attempt to repeat the 2008 war in new conditions. But this is also not realistic. Annex is a wrong notion. More like volunteer reunification like FRG and DDR for example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Sobakopes said: Plinking tanks with guided missiles gets old fast. Sound like a mission maker issue. I can't imagine a scenario more fun and exciting than a dynamic battlefield with friendly and hostile combined arms, hunting for tanks while avoiding the integrated air defenses, and hurrying your ass out of there before an enemy response hunts you down. If you're sitting in a spot plinking tank without any hostile counter someone making the mission has done a lazy job. Putting a few russian tanks on the map with a waypoint on them is not a mission, its a shooting range. Edited November 16, 2021 by Remco 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Sobakopes said: All choppers are best played in semi partisan local conflict environment like Afghanistan and Chechnya. Plinking tanks with guided missiles gets old fast. The game plays itself and it's too easy. S8, cannons, hydra rockets are much more involving and hands on. Especially now that we will have Mpsm and flechette warheads. Local conflict with a rare tank, ifv in between. Bandit strongholds, caches etc. Man pads, zptu dshk etc Thats what I call boring... 3 Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparxOne Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 2:01 PM, Sobakopes said: All choppers are best played in semi partisan local conflict environment like Afghanistan and Chechnya. Plinking tanks with guided missiles gets old fast. The game plays itself and it's too easy. S8, cannons, hydra rockets are much more involving and hands on. Especially now that we will have Mpsm and flechette warheads. Local conflict with a rare tank, ifv in between. Bandit strongholds, caches etc. Man pads, zptu dshk etc A scenario i'd definitely enjoy playing ! Nothing wrong with it. On 11/16/2021 at 8:57 PM, stormridersp said: Thats what I call boring... I guess we all have different tastes, one can enjoy it while another one will find it boring, nonetheless nothing bad about different types of "missions". If you were an Apache pilot, i don't think you'd be allowed to tell your government "Hey, looking for dug up insurgents running in sandals is boring as F, i'm not going for the mission. Find me a war where i can shoot tanks." On 11/16/2021 at 8:35 PM, Remco said: Sound like a mission maker issue. I can't imagine a scenario more fun and exciting than a dynamic battlefield with friendly and hostile combined arms, hunting for tanks while avoiding the integrated air defenses, and hurrying your ass out of there before an enemy response hunts you down. If you're sitting in a spot plinking tank without any hostile counter someone making the mission has done a lazy job. Putting a few russian tanks on the map with a waypoint on them is not a mission, its a shooting range. This idea sounds very cool indeed, goes back to the dynamic campaign coming sometime, anything dynamic with vehicules actually moving around and trying to complete objectives while you're part of the war doing your bit of it and not just flying to objective to find sitting targets ready to be blown. I'm up for any type of mission, whether it be engaging random troops and few vehicles, or going out taking on armored columns pushing the frontline, anything well designed by the mission maker will be fun ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormrider Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, SparxOne said: If you were an Apache pilot, i don't think you'd be allowed to tell your government "Hey, looking for dug up insurgents running in sandals is boring as F, i'm not going for the mission. Find me a war where i can shoot tanks." What are you talking about? It's a game! 4 Banned by cunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparxOne Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 17 hours ago, stormridersp said: What are you talking about? It's a game! Ohh ok, thanks for the update, wasn't quite sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgeekJoe Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I think these missions might make a lotta sense: Take out tank battalions closing in on the allied armor Search and engage artillery and rocket artillery (Zunis and Smerchs) while F-16s overhead provide SEAD & DEAD. Escort an Air Assault and be their cavalry Escort ground convoys A deep strike against a radar A deep strike against a Smerch team A deep strike against dug-in armor but you are gonna want F-16s or A-10s taking out AAA and SHORADs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bond672 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I would like to see 1989 style tanks rolling over the fulda gap heading towards the west German and NATO forces with the Apache working in formations to deal them a hefty blow! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preendog Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 6:01 AM, Sobakopes said: All choppers are best played in semi partisan local conflict environment like Afghanistan and Chechnya. Plinking tanks with guided missiles gets old fast. Many people definitely gonna wanna do that. The apache was specifically designed to plink tanks with guided missiles specifically designed to plink specific models of tanks in Euro WWIII. Russian tank wave is a very appropriate hypothetical scenario to play, that never happened, that now we can settle the score. For real conflicts, the recent asymmetric ones with the Apache look bad and didn't end well. It might not be fun to play a mission where you leaf-blow refugees away from a runway (actually that sounds pretty cool I wonder if the editor can do that...). Gibbing people scurrying around can be exciting but perhaps not as much with DCS simple infantry behavior. Too much flying, not enough shooting. Squinting at pixels while the eyeball flak is super alert and super accurate. Bang, 0 hyd pres, ragequit. Russian tank wave may not have happened, but the gulf war did. The Iraq army is the perfect combination of visually formidable and totally helpless, so you won't have to feel like a total monster while plinking them. No trees to get in the way of my lazor or hide the manpad guy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Iraq wars must make up the bulk of the Apache's weapon on meat service record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo007 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Because most of what we see are vidyas of Apaches supporting troops on the ground that are in contact, I built a pretty robust "Troops in Contact" mission on 3 maps that I posted in the main Missions & Campaigns section. Just added version 3. I had this in mind for the 64, but it's great fun with the MI-24, Ka-50, 342L, and any fixed wing bomb truck you wanna bring. It is mostly script driven, fully multiplayer capable and includes instructions for consuming it into your own missions. https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/286538-troops-in-contact-v3-released/ 2 Have fun. Don't suck. Kill bad guys. https://discord.gg/blacksharkden/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgeekJoe Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Preendog said: Russian tank wave may not have happened, but the gulf war did. The Iraq army is the perfect combination of visually formidable and totally helpless, so you won't have to feel like a total monster while plinking them. No trees to get in the way of my lazor or hide the manpad guy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Iraq wars must make up the bulk of the Apache's weapon on meat service record. Iraq wars for US Army, also AH-64s in Israeli care have seen a lotta counter-terrorist action. Plus some nations besides the US have employed the AH-64 in Afghanistan, Libya and Yemen. Edited November 27, 2021 by AvgeekJoe Forgot Libya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobakopes Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 2 часа назад, fargo007 сказал: Because most of what we see are vidyas of Apaches supporting troops on the ground that are in contact, I built a pretty robust "Troops in Contact" mission on 3 maps that I posted in the main Missions & Campaigns section. Just added version 3. I had this in mind for the 64, but it's great fun with the MI-24, Ka-50, 342L, and any fixed wing bomb truck you wanna bring. It is mostly script driven, fully multiplayer capable and includes instructions for consuming it into your own missions. https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/286538-troops-in-contact-v3-released/ Got to try it asapasap. You don't mention the mi8 which you underestimate. Its a great rocket busbus although requires you to understand aiming. Can you add more troopers? Does your mission provide infantry platoon targets? Do you use NATO vehicles for targets? Edited November 28, 2021 by Sobakopes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo007 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Sobakopes said: Got to try it asapasap. You don't mention the mi8 which you underestimate. Its a great rocket busbus although requires you to understand aiming. Can you add more troopers? Does your mission provide infantry platoon targets? Do you use NATO vehicles for targets? In the instructions it describes how you can change the enemies to suit your needs. You can't delete any groups, and you can't rename any groups or statics. Add any aircraft you want, set up how you like them. But you can absolutely change what they are. Anything except deleting or renaming is fine. There are lots of presentations with big groups of infantry involved. The only thing that's mandatory is you fly blue coalition and the enemy is red. You can put whatever countries in whichever coalitions you like though. Leave some feedback once you give it a shot. Edited November 28, 2021 by fargo007 2 Have fun. Don't suck. Kill bad guys. https://discord.gg/blacksharkden/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idenwen Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) The opening missions for the apaches on desert storm would be perfect Edited November 30, 2021 by idenwen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargo007 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, idenwen said: The opening missions for the apaches on desert storm would be perfect We've been invited in the past to a version of this on PG with Ka-50's, and it felt like an awesome responsibility to knock these sights down hard. They were a bit better defended than IRL, but we got it done, and it was a lot of fun. A great joint RW/FW mission for sure. Have fun. Don't suck. Kill bad guys. https://discord.gg/blacksharkden/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yak Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 During Operation Desert Storm on 17 January 1991, eight AH-64As guided by four MH-53 Pave Low IIIs destroyed part of Iraq's radar network in the operation's first attack, allowing the attack aircraft to evade detection Can be done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Boys UK Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Scud Hunts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MstrCmdr Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Callahan said: During Operation Desert Storm on 17 January 1991, eight AH-64As guided by four MH-53 Pave Low IIIs destroyed part of Iraq's radar network in the operation's first attack, allowing the attack aircraft to evade detection Can be done TWO 53s. A ninth 64 was in reserve and a 60 was there for rescue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHx2 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Jugroom Fort, but only if we can load SAS troops on the wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhawk1971 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Adapt the campaign from Jane's AH-64D Longbow and Flashpoint Korea. That'll do just fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochies Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 2:44 AM, AvgeekJoe said: I think these missions might make a lotta sense: Take out tank battalions closing in on the allied armor Search and engage artillery and rocket artillery (Zunis and Smerchs) while F-16s overhead provide SEAD & DEAD. Escort an Air Assault and be their cavalry Escort ground convoys A deep strike against a radar A deep strike against a Smerch team A deep strike against dug-in armor but you are gonna want F-16s or A-10s taking out AAA and SHORADs. A la Longbow 2... ahhh the memories.. great campaign! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal1664 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 On 12/21/2021 at 3:36 PM, IanHx2 said: Jugroom Fort, but only if we can load SAS troops on the wings Royal marines you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bies Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 On 11/26/2021 at 5:52 PM, bond672 said: I would like to see 1989 style tanks rolling over the fulda gap heading towards the west German and NATO forces with the Apache working in formations to deal them a hefty blow! This would be the ultimate scenario, Desert Storm 1991 very good as well. But both are way outside our AH-64D Longbow Apache timeframe. There was original analog AH-64A guarding Fulda Gap during the Cold War or engaging Iraq armored and mechanized divisions in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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