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DDR5 makes almost no difference, except to your wallet at the moment... go with a DDR4 board

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At the moment the scenarios that DDR5, has an advantage are so slim, and none of them are gaming, as to be theoretical … there is also the cost differential which is substantial, and finally the availability which is difficult (at best) to acquire…  

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I just upgraded to a 12700KF/TUF Z690 from my 7700K@5GHz. Kept the system identical otherwise, 2X16GB DDR4 3600 CL16 and 3080, Win10 x64.

Ran the Su25 low level benchmark .miz file attached.

You can see it made a nice improvement to CPU frame time. Still GPU bound of course, but more overhead for CPU intensive sessions.

This is stock with Pcores at 4.7GHz. I have only just started playing with overclocking. I'll experiment with Ecores off to see what OC head room that gives, HT off to see what single thread boost I get, etc. Let you know.

Hope this helps others decide if the upgrade is worth it for them, coming from similar CPU generations as I did.

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3 hours ago, SneakyBastd said:

I just upgraded to a 12700KF/TUF Z690 from my 7700K@5GHz. Kept the system identical otherwise, 2X16GB DDR4 3600 CL16 and 3080, Win10 x64.

Ran the Su25 low level benchmark .miz file attached.

You can see it made a nice improvement to CPU frame time. Still GPU bound of course, but more overhead for CPU intensive sessions.

This is stock with Pcores at 4.7GHz. I have only just started playing with overclocking. I'll experiment with Ecores off to see what OC head room that gives, HT off to see what single thread boost I get, etc. Let you know.

Hope this helps others decide if the upgrade is worth it for them, coming from similar CPU generations as I did.

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Hi, what did you use to plot these charts?

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3 hours ago, SneakyBastd said:

I just upgraded to a 12700KF/TUF Z690 from my 7700K@5GHz. Kept the system identical otherwise, 2X16GB DDR4 3600 CL16 and 3080, Win10 x64.

Ran the Su25 low level benchmark .miz file attached.

You can see it made a nice improvement to CPU frame time. Still GPU bound of course, but more overhead for CPU intensive sessions.

This is stock with Pcores at 4.7GHz. I have only just started playing with overclocking. I'll experiment with Ecores off to see what OC head room that gives, HT off to see what single thread boost I get, etc. Let you know.

Hope this helps others decide if the upgrade is worth it for them, coming from similar CPU generations as I did.

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Hey thks for that.   Struggling to read the charts a little…what avge cpu frametime are u getting (16ms?)? 

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It's fpsVR logging. Top half of top image shows the light blue line, which is CPU frametime in ms. You can see the bulk of it is about 11-12ms, but spreads from 7 to 18ms mostly.

The same graph in the bottom half shows the bulk of cpu frametimes has moved to 6 to 11ms.

The shaded darker blue area represents GPU frametimes. That doesn't change much of course.

The implication is that the cpu is now spending most of its time below 11ms, the crucial cutoff for 90hz. But the gpu is not able to keep up, so it is mostly trying to stay under 22ms. If I had a faster gpu the framerate could just about double.

1/3 of frames were under 11ms, now it is 91%.

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There is a medium, route, in general the i9 gets the best binning (performance) of the processors, the i7 the next the i5 the next and so on, the incremental performance between the i9 and i7 is practically quite small in single threaded performance, there is a more significant difference between the i7 and i5... for me the cost and power consumption of the i9 has never been worthwhile in terms of absolute benefits vs the i7 where as the cost and power delta between it and the i6 is less compared to those performance benefits... but you will still get a good performance out of the i5... it becomes a balance point which is very subjective to the buyer... its a bit like the DDR4 vs 5 discussion there is a benefit is it worth it to you is the question

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Yeah, it's personal preference. Mainly it is $300AUD cheaper but should still get close enough to what a 12900K can clock. It still has 8 Pcores, don't want to drop to 6 on i5. Doesn't matter for DCS, but other stuff it helps.

My overclock tests are very early, but so far it's running 53/53/51/51/50/50/50/50 without issue.

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Didn’t realize there is ASUS TUF with DDR4. I recently returned the ROG Strix E mobo as there is no available DDR5 RAM with good latency (also the price is a bit too much for what it offers). I might go with a DDR4 ASUS board and reuse my old RAM with this upgrade cycle.

I like ASUS BIOS, have Gigabyte mobo with my 11700K setup but really prefer ASUS for overclocking.

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4 hours ago, Supmua said:

Didn’t realize there is ASUS TUF with DDR4. I recently returned the ROG Strix E mobo as there is no available DDR5 RAM with good latency (also the price is a bit too much for what it offers). I might go with a DDR4 ASUS board and reuse my old RAM with this upgrade cycle.

I like ASUS BIOS, have Gigabyte mobo with my 11700K setup but really prefer ASUS for overclocking.

I grabbed the TUF DDR4 1700 board with a 12900k cpu, just waiting for my NZXT cooler bracket for my z63 AIO, and then I'll assemble it and run some tests myself.  

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5 hours ago, Supmua said:

Didn’t realize there is ASUS TUF with DDR4. I recently returned the ROG Strix E mobo as there is no available DDR5 RAM with good latency (also the price is a bit too much for what it offers). I might go with a DDR4 ASUS board and reuse my old RAM with this upgrade cycle.

I like ASUS BIOS, have Gigabyte mobo with my 11700K setup but really prefer ASUS for overclocking.

The TUF Z690 D4 is DDR4 of course, and there is a strix DDR4 mobo for more cash also. It gets you better audio and AI overclocking. NIce to have, but not essential. I was going to throw money at DDR5 if it was any faster, but it simply isn't. Not yet anyway.

https://www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard/Intel-Alder-Lake-Z690-H670-B660/websites/download/ASUS_Z690_Full_Specs.pdf

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