correct as-is MGRS Coordinates not saving

[FoxOne007]

As per title,
When you put in all the MGRS Grid info into any of the STPT's (20-24) and then back out to the CNI pages or go back to LAT/LONG it doesn't save, it also doesn't create an actual STPT on the HSD to navigate to

[Tholozor]

After you input the MGRS data, dobber down until CNVRT is highlighted, then ENT to convert and accept the changed coordinates. Also, MGRS steerpoints are 21 through 25.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Tholozor

[FoxOne007]

1 hour ago, Tholozor said:

After you input the MGRS data, dobber down until CNVRT is highlighted, then ENT to convert and accept the changed coordinates. Also, MGRS steerpoints are 21 through 25.

 

Ah didn’t know that about the CNVRT, couldn’t figure out how to get the dobber there. Thanks!

Edited November 19, 2021 by FoxOne007

[pete_auau]

ok how  do you enter  the  mgrs  co ords?

[Tholozor]

- Select one of the MGRS steerpoints (21 through 25).
- Convert it to MGRS with dobber SEQ.
- Dobber down to GRID, enter the 2-digit grid zone designator, then ENT.
- The GZD alpha character will then be selected, press ENT, then use the Increment/Decrement switch to select the letter, then press ENT.
- The 2-letter SQUARE will then be selected, press ENT, then use the Increment/Decrement switch to select the first letter, press ENT, select the second, then ENT.
- Enter the 10-digit EAST/NORTH grid, then ENT.
- Dobber down to ELEV, enter the elevation, then ENT.
- Dobber down to CNVRT, then ENT.
- Dobber SEQ to return to LAT/LNG.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Tholozor

[QuiGon]

3 hours ago, Tholozor said:

- Select one of the MGRS steerpoints (21 through 25).
- Convert it to MGRS with dobber SEQ.
- Dobber down to GRID, enter the 2-digit grid zone designator, then ENT.
- The GZD alpha character will then be selected, press ENT, then use the Increment/Decrement switch to select the letter, then press ENT.
- The 2-letter SQUARE will then be selected, press ENT, then use the Increment/Decrement switch to select the first letter, press ENT, select the second, then ENT.
- Enter the 10-digit EAST/NORTH grid, then ENT.
- Dobber down to ELEV, enter the elevation, then ENT.
- Dobber down to CNVRT, then ENT.
- Dobber SEQ to return to LAT/LNG.

Didn't know that, thanks!

It's not the most straight forward way to enter MGRS coords, but I'm glad it's possible at all.
It's obvious that this feature wasn't envisioned when the real F-16 was developed

Edited November 19, 2021 by QuiGon

[pete_auau]

8 hours ago, Tholozor said:

- Select one of the MGRS steerpoints (21 through 25).
- Convert it to MGRS with dobber SEQ.
- Dobber down to GRID, enter the 2-digit grid zone designator, then ENT.
- The GZD alpha character will then be selected, press ENT, then use the Increment/Decrement switch to select the letter, then press ENT.
- The 2-letter SQUARE will then be selected, press ENT, then use the Increment/Decrement switch to select the first letter, press ENT, select the second, then ENT.
- Enter the 10-digit EAST/NORTH grid, then ENT.
- Dobber down to ELEV, enter the elevation, then ENT.
- Dobber down to CNVRT, then ENT.
- Dobber SEQ to return to LAT/LNG.

 

thx   solved  that small issue  but its a long  way of  doing  it

[pete_auau]

Just to follow  up on this  i got it  mastered  by  using  the  map  to get  the  grid  cord's but  when i  use  my  Jtac in  a mission i made  it  only  gives   6  numbers  etc  CN327281    where it  missing  the  2  digit grid  zone  and   letter  and  missing   4  numbers  at the  end?

[Tholozor]

The JTAC function can only currently give the SQUARE and a 6-digit grid. In your example the 10-digit would be CN 327xx/281xx, and the missing digits could be anything, it's only to get you in the general area for further talk-on. The JTAC function doesn't give the GZD because it's assumed the pilot already knows it. The CN grid in any adjacent GZD would be incredibly far away, and would be quite apparent if the wrong GZD was input.

Edited November 20, 2021 by Tholozor

[pete_auau]

28 minutes ago, Tholozor said:

The JTAC function can only currently give the SQUARE and a 6-digit grid. In your example the 10-digit would be CN 327xx/281xx, and the missing digits could be anything, it's only to get you in the general area for further talk-on. The JTAC function doesn't give the GZD because it's assumed the pilot already knows it. The CN grid in any adjacent GZD would be incredibly far away, and would be quite apparent if the wrong GZD was input.

 

thx  again, got it  to work thx  for  all  you  input  to the  community

Edited November 20, 2021 by pete_auau

[QuiGon]

On 11/19/2021 at 6:01 AM, Tholozor said:

- Dobber down to CNVRT, then ENT.

Hmm, just tried that, but I can't dobber down to CNVRT. When I'm on ELEV and dobber down it jumps back up to the steerpoint number

[FoxOne007]

2 hours ago, QuiGon said:

Hmm, just tried that, but I can't dobber down to CNVRT. When I'm on ELEV and dobber down it jumps back up to the steerpoint number

Just to confirm you did enter all details? Cuz when everything is filled out correctly dobbering down past ELEVZ does put it on the CNVRT for me

[Tholozor]

46 minutes ago, FoxOne007 said:

Just to confirm you did enter all details? Cuz when everything is filled out correctly dobbering down past ELEVZ does put it on the CNVRT for me

Not sure if this us a bug or not, but being able to select CNVRT seems to be reliant on any data aside from elevation be altered in order to convert. I'll check it later, but at the moment the post above seems to be the current behavior.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Tholozor

[FoxOne007]

27 minutes ago, Tholozor said:

Not sure if this us a bug or not, but being able to select CNVRT seems to be reliant on any data aside from elevation be altered in order to convert. I'll check it later, but at the moment the post above seems to be the current behavior.

 

I might be confused, but for me it worked fine putting in the MGRS stuff into a blank steerpoint

[Frederf]

1 hour ago, Tholozor said:

Not sure if this us a bug or not, but being able to select CNVRT seems to be reliant on any data aside from elevation be altered in order to convert. I'll check it later, but at the moment the post above seems to be the current behavior.

 

I converted once and then was unable to convert again until I changed the data to be converted. I.e. it won't let you try to convert the same problem twice in a row.

Does anyone know what highlighting reverse video CNVRT does? I get no conversion simply MSEL highlighting it. If I only ENTR without highlight I get sent to some reset menu. Only when I both highlight it and then UFC ENTR do I get actual MGRS-to-LL conversion.

[QuiGon]

On 11/23/2021 at 10:41 PM, FoxOne007 said:

Just to confirm you did enter all details? Cuz when everything is filled out correctly dobbering down past ELEVZ does put it on the CNVRT for me

On 11/23/2021 at 11:26 PM, Tholozor said:

Not sure if this us a bug or not, but being able to select CNVRT seems to be reliant on any data aside from elevation be altered in order to convert. I'll check it later, but at the moment the post above seems to be the current behavior.

I guess this was the issue then, because I did not modify the master grid as it was already correct and I had no need to change it.
I can't belive that this is intended behaviour though.

[FoxOne007]

 

3 hours ago, QuiGon said:

I guess this was the issue then, because I did not modify the master grid as it was already correct and I had no need to change it.
I can't belive that this is intended behaviour though.

Hey @BIGNEWYcan you confirm wether the above is correct behavior or a bug?

[BIGNEWY]

I am not sure if it is a bug or not, I have always edited each line, even if it was the same before editing. I will ask

[FoxOne007]

On 11/24/2021 at 1:13 AM, Frederf said:

I converted once and then was unable to convert again until I changed the data to be converted. I.e. it won't let you try to convert the same problem twice in a row.

Does anyone know what highlighting reverse video CNVRT does? I get no conversion simply MSEL highlighting it. If I only ENTR without highlight I get sent to some reset menu. Only when I both highlight it and then UFC ENTR do I get actual MGRS-to-LL conversion.

Now I'm more confused, why do you need the convert the same "problem" twice. you only need to convert it once then you can just back out. you don't even need to jump to the MGRS page to change Elevation. Also changing Elevation doesn't require the GRID to be converted again

[CombatPOG]

None of this works for me.

I type all the information, enter grid (40R in this case)

then square (DM)

then East/North (639436)

then altitude (2200ft)

then I highlight CNVRT and press enter, it takes me to the reset page and doesn't save what I entered. Tried this on SP 21-25 as instructed. It just doesn't save no matter what I do it seems.

[Tholozor]

Your East/North looks too short (shouldn't it be 10 digits?). Do you have a track or video we could look at?

Edited April 15, 2022 by Tholozor

[Frederf]

I'm trying this, typing in a 6-digit just autofills out to 10 digit with 0s. Visually it looks fine. When I highlight CNVRT and press ENTR I come to a new screen I've never seen before.

ENTR

I noticed the screen flashes rapidly through something so I went back at 1/64X and did it again. It:

• Highlights the "21" steerpoint in reverse video, losing the highlight on CNVRT
• Dehighlights the "21"
• Moves to the after image shown above

 

[TheBigTatanka]

Frederf... I'll mess with it tomorrow and report back. What happens if you just dobber right again instead of hitting enter?

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[Tholozor]

Okay, figured it out. It's a GZD border conflict. The DM grid square is cut in half by 40R and 40Q, and 63900/43600 lies in 40Q.

https://mappingsupport.com/p2/gissurfer.php?center=40QDM63904360&zoom=9&basemap=Open_Street_Map

Edited April 16, 2022 by Tholozor

[TheBigTatanka]

Frederf -- don't inverse video highlight the Convert feature before hitting enter.  Just dobber over it and hit enter.  You're right, you can't re-convert something if you haven't made a change to the parameters, but I'm not sure why you would want to.  I'm not seeing any issues with the MGRS conversion / input implementation -- the only thing I could think of is it would be nice if the jet knew the grid you were in and had that inputted automatically for the first 3 digits of a full MGRS coordinate -- but I have no idea if that would be accurate or not. Having to edit 5 numbers/letters before being able to put in the grid is a little annoying, but again, no idea how that works in the jet.  I'll try to ask someone.