please see faq Release by end of Q1 2022

[Lurker]

18 hours ago, Hiob said:

Why do you think, the pedals are operated differently to the real helicopter? Or from other DCS-Helicopters for that matter?

Don't get me wrong - perhaps I missed something!

 

 

For one thing the real chopper does not have spring centered pedals. The real helicopter also has AP SAS channels to assist the pilot during flight, which are linked to trim. So yeah, all the helicopters in DCS, the Huey, the Hip the Hind and the Kamov AP channels quite a bit differently, even though we all have the same or similar peripherals. 

For example in the Hind, I can't even fly with the YAW AP channel on anymore, since the heading hold mode frequently fights my pedal inputs. In the Apache its supposed to work differently, there is no heading hold, only a flight assist that is tied to a flight computer. 

For example Wags mentions that trim release in the Apache is basically controls mag locks which hold your cyclic and pedals in place. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Lurker

[Hiob]

59 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

For one thing the real chopper does not have spring centered pedals. The real helicopter also has AP SAS channels to assist the pilot during flight, which are linked to trim. So yeah, all the helicopters in DCS, the Huey, the Hip the Hind and the Kamov AP channels quite a bit differently, even though we all have the same or similar peripherals. 

For example in the Hind, I can't even fly with the YAW AP channel on anymore, since the heading hold mode frequently fights my pedal inputs. In the Apache its supposed to work differently, there is no heading hold, only a flight assist that is tied to a flight computer. 

For example Wags mentions that trim release in the Apache is basically controls mag locks which hold your cyclic and pedals in place. 

 

Ok thanks for the clarification. I can see your troubles, though I don't share them.

One thought though - wether you use spring center pedals or none spring centered (I modified mine for a release of the center spring), is just your choice - not a matter of the simulation.

[RealDCSpilot]

Guys, please don't get to much confused about how Wags manages controlling pedals. Please take a look at the pictures, they are pretty self-explanatory:

 

[Lurker]

42 minutes ago, Hiob said:

(I modified mine for a release of the center spring)

Then this should concern you. It's quite possible that if this system is configured for spring based pedals, that trim in the Apache will be quite broken for pedals that do not use springs. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Lurker

[Hiob]

7 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Then this should concern you. It's quite possible that if this system is configured for spring based pedals, that trim in the Apache will be quite broken for pedals that do not use springs. 

 

I will deal with this when the module is released. So far I have no trouble in any helicopter I fly (Hip, Hind, Huey). Where it could be a potential problem (e.g. Hip), ED has provided an option wether the pedals are affected by trim or not (trim in this case means for the real helicopter, relieve of forces - though it may work differently in the Hip, it is the same that the magnetic brakes in the Apache do - as far as I understand).

I'm quite confident, they will offer similar options for the Apache. Anyway, I will only start to worry when it finally arrives.

Edited March 3, 2022 by Hiob

[Hiob]

@Lurker There you go (EA manual).

All the trim modes one could ask for, and even separated for cyclic and anti-torque. So far, it’s looking good. 

I‘m quite confident in that regard. 

[RealDCSpilot]

Yep, it's how it has been since release of DCS Blackshark and also working for all the other premium helicopter modules. Three different trimming settings with the option to separate the pedals from them. You can choose what fits best for your setup, in the end you have six options (3 plus pedal setting for each). The best and most realistic hardware setup for helicopter controls in DCS are force feedback controls, cyclic and pedals (as of now i only know of the FFB pedals from Brunner). But you can also get almost the same feel with friction hold joysticks and pedals (rare on the market or DIY mod).
As an example, if you only have a FFB joystick for cyclic like me, you can choose between pedal trim off or on and use it like:
1. hold your feet in position all the time after trimming or have friction hold pedals which don't return to center by themself
2. do the part of the spring centered trimming procedure only on your pedals (let them return to center after trimming, but keep in mind that this an offset from now on)

What i really like is the new axis indicator window with more information, like the red X for the offset center. It tells you much better what is going on. I guess we will get this for the other choppers too.

[Lurker]

Yup, maybe I'm making too much of this, and it just "works" out of the box so to speak. I do have a reason though, and that's the Mi24p which needs to be flown with the YAW SAS channel turned off if I want it to be responsive and smooth with the pedal work. 

[RealDCSpilot]

I fly the Mi-24 most of the time with roll and pitch channel activated only, for take-off, landing and combat maneuvering. I only activate the yaw and alt channels for "auto-cruise" in route mode... For everything - trimming is the key. Everytime i'm moving the cyclic and pedals - EVERY TIME - i press down the trimming button and hold it --> move the cyclic and/or pedals -> release the trimming button after i stopped moving the cyclic stick and/or pedals. Constant trimming has to become a natural habit if you want to have smooth control about a combat helicopter in all situations.

Edited March 4, 2022 by RealDCSpilot

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, RealDCSpilot said:

I fly the Mi-24 most of the time with roll and pitch channel activated only, for take-off, landing and combat maneuvering. I only activate the yaw and alt channels for "auto-cruise" in route mode... For everything - trimming is the key. Everytime i'm moving the cyclic and pedals - EVERY TIME - i press down the trimming button and hold it --> move the cyclic and/or pedals -> release the trimming button after i stopped moving the cyclic stick and/or pedals. Constant trimming has to become a natural habit if you want to have smooth control about a combat helicopter in all situations.

 

I am well aware of this, and it's something I also practice, however flying with the YAW AP channel off, is definitely not how this aircraft is supposed to be operated. It's not just a heading hold mode. 

Edited March 4, 2022 by Lurker

[Sven2157]

Is there a date for possibly getting the icon in my account?  Bought or not?

[Lampshade]

[Dragon1-1]

Judging from the videos, there might be a chance of cold start being next, which means there is a chance for a release next week.  Or at least, so I hope.

[giullep]

i think the same...

[pii]

On 10/14/2021 at 11:32 AM, kgillers3 said:

Isn’t it always summer in Australia 

No but it is in Florida. WHERE IS MY SIM?!?!?!

[kgillers3]

1 hour ago, pii said:

No but it is in Florida. WHERE IS MY SIM?!?!?!

You dug back for that one, lol. It’s at the game store idk. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by kgillers3

[inexus]

It seems most likely that ED keep thinking they are nearly ready but keep find some last bug(s) that needs fixing. Hence the use of 'imminent' and not having pushed out a patch release yet as they want to include the Apache in this patch and the testing done for it includes the various changes to support the Apache. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by inexus

[Mad Dog 762]

I think the release of the manual means its coming very soon, and if Wags doesn't have all the vids done we have the manual and can figure it out ourselves.  

[giullep]

I think..next week! I bet it..

[purpi]

Release next week......   %  DAY    

 

Edited March 5, 2022 by purpi

[flo57100]

Yes, next week is a reasonnable and plausible expectation

[unknown]

I hope it is released asap, not for the Apache itself but for all the bug fixes we are waiting for for all the other modules.  

[davidrbarnette]

I’d say next week, but lord knows some goofball will find a rivet missing on the underside of one of the access panels and be all “I ThoUgHt ED wAs aBOuT rEaLisM!!! ThIs mOdULe SuCKS!!!” and ED will have to go back and fix it, delaying it until April 2024.

[OfficerBull]

2 hours ago, davidrbarnette said:

I’d say next week, but lord knows some goofball will find a rivet missing on the underside of one of the access panels and be all “I ThoUgHt ED wAs aBOuT rEaLisM!!! ThIs mOdULe SuCKS!!!” and ED will have to go back and fix it, delaying it until April 2024.

HEY! Missing rivets are pretty realistic and common XD I blame the 15 golfs. But as much as I'd love for the Apache to be released next week, I'm not too sure about it happening. Hopefully I'm wrong, but ED's production and QC has improved a lot it seems. They are focused on quality over quantity, and that's a good thing. However, It is exhausting looking at the forums all day looking for the "Apache has been released to Open Beta"

[KnightRaider]

Hello,

Just bought the Apache but can't find it anywhere in my game, so any ideas where is it located?

Thanks