rkk01 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) Is it just me that sees a passing resemblance between these two aircraft…? Era, SEPECAT partners, style of undercarriage…? Not sure what it is Of course, if Aerges are looking for a non-Spanish project…. Edited December 17, 2021 by rkk01 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M F1 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 The Sepecat isn't a full Dassault concept. It's like yous says : a cooperate made aircraft with british aerospace i think. The engines of Mirage F1 is very different with those of Sepecat (2 but less powerful). The F1 is at first conceived to participate to air superiority. At the opposite, the Jaguar Sepecat is only a bomber jet. But the technology is different too. The Sepecat don't have any radar, even if their capacity was good for air-ground attack. In the middle of the eighties, the two jet could used AS30L (missile with laser) and GBU... when the F1 was used to "bomber"... (mirage F1CT for France and even F1M for Spain for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew8604 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, rkk01 said: Is it just me that sees a passing resemblance between these two aircraft…? Era, SEPECAT partners, style of undercarriage…? Not sure what it is Of course, if Aerges are looking for a non-Spanish project…. I've thought that, too. And the Mitsubishi F-1/T-2...first flight 1971. SEPECAT Jaguar...first flight 1968 Mirage F1...first flight 1966 ...and the MiG-23, to some extent...first flight 1967. The Jaguar would be another great jet to make. Edited December 18, 2021 by Andrew8604 typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boosterdog Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Andrew8604 said: IThe Jaguar would be another great jet to make. My favorite RAF type of the 70s on looks alone. It would have to be a 3rd party gamble I think. Cant see ED ever doing it. 1 MSI Tomahawk X570 Mobo, Ryzen 5600X undervolted on Artic Freezer E34 Cooler, RTX3080 FE, 32GB (2x16GB Dual Ranked) GSkil 3600 CL16 Trident Neo RAM, 2X 4th Gen M2 SSDs, Corsair RM850x PSU, Lancool 215 Case. Gear: MFG Crosswinds, Warthog Throttle, Virpil T50CM gen 1 stick, TIR5, Cougar MFD (OOA), D-link H7/B powered USB 2.0 Hub all strapped to a butchered Wheel stand pro, Cushion to bang head on, wall to scream at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, M F1 said: The Sepecat isn't a full Dassault concept. It's like yous says : a cooperate made aircraft with british aerospace i think. The initial design was by Bréguet, before it was swallowed by Dassault. 15 hours ago, M F1 said: The Sepecat don't have any radar, even if their capacity was good for air-ground attack. That's mostly true. The RAF and AdlA didn't have radars, but the Indians put one Agave into their Jaguar IM to throw Sea Eagles at ships. Their IS versions look close to RAF airplanes. Quote The Jaguar would be another great jet to make. Agree! Lots of potential for useful maps, too! Edited December 18, 2021 by Bremspropeller 2 So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB3DG Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) The Jaguar looks like a F1 and a F-4 Phantom got mixed up somehow. Edited December 20, 2021 by JB3DG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avimimus Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) The Jaguar kind-of always reminded me of the Panavia Tornado... if it got confused and thought it was a trainer. For some reason I've always loved it a bit. Edited January 3, 2022 by Avimimus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slammer Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 A jaguar , I buy this sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupra Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Jaguar.. for sure. But just if I can mount my heats on top of the wings 1 DCS F-16C Blk. 40/42 :helpsmilie: Candidate - 480th VFS - Cupra | 06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORC Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I think it's an interesting comparison. The Jaguar started out as a trainer and light bomber (on the drawing board), and evolved into a quite capable low altitude strike aircraft. The F1 started out as an interceptor, and evolved into (in French service at least) a quite capable fighter bomber that ended up getting used a lot at low altitude. The similarity in the design - perhaps that is what led to the similarity in end-use? 1 Do you use VR? Do you feel sad when you are just a dismbodied set of eyes floating in the cockpit? Check out my list of paid aircraft modules that support the visible virtual pilot body: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL0083 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Looking forward to M!!!!!lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeydriver Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Well the high wing with small area is where the similarities begin. This was to allow good acceleration and good t/o and landing performance. It contributed to a better low level/high speed comfort in ride performance over low wing loaded large area wings in modern designs 1 VF-2 Bounty Hunters https://www.csg-1.com/ DCS F-14 Pilot/RIO Discord: https://discord.gg/6bbthxk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORC Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 The high wing is also good for quick turnaround - You don't need as long (and heavy!) a ladder for the pilot, and the ground crew can work under the wing to quickly rearm. Do you use VR? Do you feel sad when you are just a dismbodied set of eyes floating in the cockpit? Check out my list of paid aircraft modules that support the visible virtual pilot body: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I don't see how a high mounted, high loaded wing would do anything to improve takeoff or landing performance tbh. Doesn't matter where you place the wing, if the thing is tiny, it will not generate much lift. Which is part of why the Jag was known for having poor t/o performance in the first place. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabuzomeu Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 T/O and landing performance much improved compared to Dassault delta Mirage IIIC/E-> the F1 wing allows for large flaps and slats With this , the landing speed goes from >160kts (IIIC) to 125 kts (F1C) (they say) 2 Details: Asus Z-170E, Intel i5-6600K @ 4.2GHz, 16GB RAM MSI GTX970 Gaming 4G Win 10 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.J.S Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 4/5/2022 at 3:19 PM, TLTeo said: . . . . Which is part of why the Jag was known for having poor t/o performance in the first place. Used to constantly rib a Jag mate of mine that his aircraft was the only one in the inventory that required the curvature of the earth to help it get airborne! But, all things considered, it was a potent attack aircraft. Quick at low level, and with an impressive roll-rate. Alien desktop PC, Intel i7-8700 CPU@3.20GHz 6 Core, Nvidia GTX 1070, 16GB RAM. TM Warthog stick and Throttles. Saitek ProFlight pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 4/5/2022 at 12:02 PM, gabuzomeu said: T/O and landing performance much improved compared to Dassault delta Mirage IIIC/E-> the F1 wing allows for large flaps and slat Well yeah that's how pure deltas work. Doesn't mean a high loaded wing is actually good for t/o or landing performance, nor that a high mounted wing helps much, as the post I replied to implied. Besides, you're the first one to bring up the Mirage 3 in this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabuzomeu Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Fully agree. I mention the Mirage III because I believe that the perception of the F1 wing being good for short t/o comes from the fact that it was meant/designed by Dassault to be better than the IIIC (which it is) while not being very good in absolute terms as you point out. 1 Details: Asus Z-170E, Intel i5-6600K @ 4.2GHz, 16GB RAM MSI GTX970 Gaming 4G Win 10 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkk01 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 10 hours ago, G.J.S said: But, all things considered, it was a potent attack aircraft. Quick at low level, and with an impressive roll-rate. If only there was a dev to pick up the mantle and get a Jag into the game… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iberian Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 4/7/2022 at 6:56 AM, rkk01 said: If only there was a dev to pick up the mantle and get a Jag into the game… DCS: Wish List - ED Forums [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkk01 Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Iberian said: DCS: Wish List - ED Forums Yes - have done that… A UK based dev is badly needed for DCS though. Germany, Italy and Spain have devs that have a passion for their National aircraft / air forces, and Raz have followed through with the Mirage Of course, it doesn’t help that so much obsolete UK kit remains classified with little of no access to reference docs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry.R Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I'm sure the Jaguar won't be missing from DCS in the long term. It would be great to have more cold war jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) We need Jaguar, because Edited July 20, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants 3 VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants -- this is how I fly. We do not fly at treetop height, we fly between trees(TM) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc9BDi-STaqgWsjNiHbW0fA My simple missions: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/284071-vr-flight-guy-in-pj-pants-simple-missions/ NSRI - National Strategy Research Institution, a fictional organisation based on wordplay of Strategic Naval Research Institution (SNRI), a fictional institution appears in Mobile Suit Gundam UC timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.J.S Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 7/20/2022 at 5:51 AM, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said: We need Jaguar, because @Victory205 HA! Another piccy of “that incident” lol . Alien desktop PC, Intel i7-8700 CPU@3.20GHz 6 Core, Nvidia GTX 1070, 16GB RAM. TM Warthog stick and Throttles. Saitek ProFlight pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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