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10 minutes ago, Sideburns said:

On the data cartridge CTD will recheck tonight. I did have a lot of cartridge files around which I have now removed.

The "Too many cartridges CTD" is fixed since last patch. I had 103 cartridges after yesterday's flight escorting you, previously the maximum number was 92. Anything over that would result in an instant CTD.

For the F10 map issue. Did you have the kneeboard open while in the F10 view?

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52 minutes ago, MYSE1234 said:

The "Too many cartridges CTD" is fixed since last patch. I had 103 cartridges after yesterday's flight escorting you, previously the maximum number was 92. Anything over that would result in an instant CTD.

For the F10 map issue. Did you have the kneeboard open while in the F10 view?

Thank you again for that escort Myse, it was a pleasure flying with you. Your perfectly timed distraction of the fighters allowed me to laydown accurate HD bombs on the road base and escape safely.

I did have the kneeboard open while in F10 map view, appeared to be an issue when selecting and laying down markers. As before will check both these bugs to try and come back to you with accurate "is it an issue" and "how to".

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On 1/1/2022 at 9:28 PM, STRIPES said:

Experiencing significant engine power decrease after the patch? Not accelerating after take off as it was, also can bearly make even light turns with medium loadout without using at least stage 1 AB. In even slightly climbing turns speed drops to 3-400kph with AB at stage 2. Gliding performance seems fine, so most likely engine power is significantly decreased.

Yes this is something I noticed too. Even with a loadout of only 2x RB24s and two gunpods plus centre tank it struggles to accelerate .
Was there anything changed in FM or drag values? (besides the negative drag fix for the RB24/74)


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4 hours ago, MYSE1234 said:

The "Too many cartridges CTD" is fixed since last patch. I had 103 cartridges after yesterday's flight escorting you, previously the maximum number was 92. Anything over that would result in an instant CTD.

For the F10 map issue. Did you have the kneeboard open while in the F10 view?

Makes we wonder if it could be a good idea to have some sort of auto-cleanup... 🤔

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32 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Yes this is something I noticed too. Even with a loadout of only 2x RB24s and two gunpods plus centre tank it struggles to accelerate .
Was there anything changed in FM or drag values? (besides the negative drag fix for the RB24/74)

Erm, guys, what was the OAT and pressure altitude in your test missions?
Temperatures over 30 degrees show significant performance degradations, as well as pressure altitude does so.

Did you try it at ~ 0m MSL in 15°C?

Also, was the gear really retracted and the airbrake?


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38 minutes ago, TOViper said:

Erm, guys, what was the OAT and pressure altitude in your test missions?
Temperatures over 30 degrees show significant performance degradations, as well as pressure altitude does so.

Did you try it at ~ 0m MSL in 15°C?

Also, was the gear really retracted and the airbrake?

 

At sea level ( well 50ft above it ) and 20C ,so not really not much of a environmental challenge. No significant wind either.


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hm, I have made a track, in which I can find no abnormal behaviour ...
If you watch, would you then say it looks abnormal?

 

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12 minutes ago, TOViper said:

hm, I have made a track, in which I can find no abnormal behaviour ...
If you watch, would you then say it looks abnormal?

 

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Yes definitely , at least to me it does look very very slow for that type of loadout. It is painful to watch lol, especially since you insisted on a dry takeoff without AB.  😉 

No, but seriously , I think for that loadout it takes a really really long time to accelerate even to just around 600kph.

Personally I used 1 or 2 zones of AB for takeoff and then cut it out after gear retraction but then I get the same crawling slow acceleration as in your track.


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Ok, now we are talking about the same situation.
TOM was 17.2 tons
Drag is high due to the two pods.
I will try to use different loadouts with the same TOM, and see what's happening.
Don't forget, the MIL thrust in the Viggen is just 6.5 tons, which is about 38 percent of the weight.
This is like an average airliner ... 😉


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9 hours ago, Sideburns said:

Thanks for the responses.

On the data cartridge CTD will recheck tonight. I did have a lot of cartridge files around which I have now removed.

On the funky f10 map issue. On a busy MP server (Engima's cold war, with many shapes and markers drawn) the F10 map would get slow / hang and placing of markers became unreliable while the ground crew kneeboard page was up and your own userid selected for cartridge. Will also recheck this tonight and report back.

Ok, so after removing the cartridge files I can't recreate the CTD issue (possibly some old one maybe... will alert if it comes back)

On the F10 maps, tested in single player the F10 was becoming laggy if you had the Kneeboard open (in my case ground crew and cartridge selected) and you placed many markers. At some points the F10 map was failing to place markers or be grabbed to be moved around. I can't reliably get this to recreate so once more if I figure it out to be consistent will report back. Perhaps it has disapeared also with clearing out the old cartridge files.


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8 minutes ago, Sideburns said:

On the F10 maps, tested in single player the F10 was becoming laggy if you had the Kneeboard open (in my case ground crew and cartridge selected) and you placed many markers. At some points the F10 map was failing to place markers or be grabbed to be moved around. I can't reliably get this to recreate

I had an issue on Hoggit's Syria at War server where the F10 map would take several seconds to load textures, and would just freeze while it was waiting.  I didn't pinpoint a cause, and it was intermittent.  I didn't notice if there was a correlation with marker placement.

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Yeah, it may just be an F10 map issue rather than Viggen issue, the Enigma CW server uses a lot of drawings and markers on the F10 map where I first observed this.


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On 1/3/2022 at 2:29 AM, Sideburns said:

Airbase and reference kneeboard page wont change page (rshift+pgup) on uk keyboard.

Try changing the keybinds yourself, I switched mine, because it feels more netural with Page Down as the next subpage button.
Keymapping called:
Kneeboard next subpage
Kneeboard previous subpage

 

On 12/31/2021 at 5:46 PM, VFGiPJP said:

Talking to Ground Crew over Communication menu gets no respond, but they get the request and perform the tasks anyway without any acknowledgement whatsoever.

Checked if A-10C and F/A-18C does the same, nope just the Viggen.

 

On 1/4/2022 at 1:52 AM, Machalot said:

I think you can get what you want using these two keybinds: Autopilot HÖJD/ATT on the forward position, and Autopilot SPAK/ATT on the rear position.  That would make the rear position activate SPAK only, the middle position activate ATT, and the forward position activate HÖJD.  That is, if I understand correctly how the switch works, where the middle position is "no button" and the forward/rear positions are each a separate button that is held.

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This is known and tracked.

This helped me on the warthog throttle, I was using other toggle buttons for autopilot before, using this on Viggen seems natural.

 

From previous comment, i can't recreate the waypoint and target navigational drift anymore, so it's good, no idea what caused it, had it for 2 days before patch fix.

One more issue - Special radio channel 3 has no mark on it, it's blank.

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4 minutes ago, V0RTEX said:

it feels more netural with Page Down as the next subpage button.

I made the same comment to the HB dev when they implemented this. Not sure if they plan to update it. 

4 minutes ago, V0RTEX said:

Special radio channel 3 has no mark on it, it's blank.

This is known and tracked. I believe @MYSE1234 has a cockpit mod that fixes this. 

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6 hours ago, V0RTEX said:
On 1/3/2022 at 2:29 AM, Sideburns said:

Airbase and reference kneeboard page wont change page (rshift+pgup) on uk keyboard.

Try changing the keybinds yourself, I switched mine, because it feels more netural with Page Down as the next subpage button.
Keymapping called:
Kneeboard next subpage
Kneeboard previous subpage

On my nordic keyboard, they only work when reset to defaults... If I attempt to rebind them they stop working.
The same seems to apply to the ground crew weapon settings as well (though those also still don't work from cold starts)

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On 1/4/2022 at 2:12 AM, Ivixor said:

I found out that pressing TV 0 after TV fix confirms the waypoint and sets it like it use to do it, basically there is an extra step involved now. Im unsure if this is actually intended or if its a bug recently introduced with the update.
Pressing TV 0 after you have used TV fix works for waypoint fixes, and also for bx waypoints for weapons like the RB15F.
Maybe this is just a work-around, but it works.

This works, thanks mate. Not sure if it's how it will be from now on and not even sure it is doing the fix properly, I will have to fly around some more and see.

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1 hour ago, Nevyn said:

This works, thanks mate. Not sure if it's how it will be from now on and not even sure it is doing the fix properly, I will have to fly around some more and see.

We are trying to get HB to revert it so TV will complete the fix.

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50 minutes ago, Nevyn said:

The reference button doesn't seem to do anything anymore, or is it doing something but I cannot see it, makes a click sound but that's about all. It used to correct your heading while on the runway before takeoff.

This is reported and tracked.

50 minutes ago, Nevyn said:

Took off from Lincoln Nevada and noticed the knee board that shows the airfield codes is missing for that airfield.

I'll put in a report for this one.  I don't have the Nevada map.  Could you provide a screenshot of the kneeboard?

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Yes, those are the only two pages that list airfield codes for nevada. Not a big deal, I just thought I would mention it as I doubt many people that fly the Viggen will be taking off or landing at Lincoln, so just an fyi for the devs.

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1 hour ago, Nevyn said:

Yes, those are the only two pages that list airfield codes for nevada. Not a big deal, I just thought I would mention it as I doubt many people that fly the Viggen will be taking off or landing at Lincoln, so just an fyi for the devs.

Hey Nevyn! Are you REALLY SURE you applied the new key-combo for showing up the new sub-pages?
I heard the new-combos sometimes cause troubles when they are assigned to anything other than non-standard, but using the "Default" bindings they DO work.

I am just asking to make 100% sure that you do the right thing before you start doing big changes on your computer (format C ... 😛  ).


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That's odd, I don't get the second page. Thanks I will look into it.

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Hey Nevyn! Are you REALLY SURE you applied the new key-combo for showing up the new sub-pages?
I heard the new-combos sometimes cause troubles when they are assigned to anything other than non-standard, but using the "Default" bindings they DO work.

I am just asking to make 100% sure that you do the right thing before you do big changes on your computer.

Thanks mate, I will check that out, I don't use the default keybinding, so you may have saved me a bit of effort.

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