F-15E coming 2022? New trailer... Cmon RAZBAM...

[M4ND4L0R3]

New DCS trailer " 2022 and beyond " HEAVILY features the F-15E in several, SEVERAL shots.

When are we going to see it.... its been so long....

Watch for yourselves below:

 

[Deano87]

Soon™

[FlankerKiller]

Should be about two more weeks. Lol. If there smart they won't release it within six months of the Apache. At least I wouldn't. 

[Beirut]

13 hours ago, FlankerKiller said:

Should be about two more weeks. Lol. If there smart they won't release it within six months of the Apache. At least I wouldn't. 

 

Why on Earth not? We're not changing girlfriends. I don't need six-months between modules. I don't need six-days. I need about six-minutes - just long enough to hit the purchase buttons.

 

Besides, I'm not getting the Apache. But I do have money sitting in my Steam account just waiting for the F-15E (and South Atlantic map) to show up. The second, and I mean the very exact second they are made open to buy..............CLICK!

[FoxOne007]

19 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

Why on Earth not? We're not changing girlfriends. I don't need six-months between modules. I don't need six-days. I need about six-minutes - just long enough to hit the purchase buttons.

 

Besides, I'm not getting the Apache. But I do have money sitting in my Steam account just waiting for the F-15E (and South Atlantic map) to show up. The second, and I mean the very exact second they are made open to buy..............CLICK!

THIS!

[FlankerKiller]

That's good for you, but not everyone has hundreds of dollars just lying around to buy DCS modules. And the Apache is going to be one hell of a popular module. It's going to bring things to DCS that it doesn't currently have, a d it's the first western attack helicopter in game. While it will be cool the F-15E brings nothing new. Any mission it can fly can also be flown by the F-18, or the F-16. So for someone choosing they may very well choose the Apache especially if they own one of the fourth generation jets. Razbam know this. I believe it would be wise to let the hybe die down a bit after the Apache release then release the F-15E. Also I suspect they plan to release it in a pretty polished state. That takes time and testing. It took HB five years to get the Tomcat out on the market. A d the F-15E is a much much more complicated jet. But I bet when it dose finally release it's going to be amazing. 

[PiratexCore]

44 minutes ago, FlankerKiller said:

That's good for you, but not everyone has hundreds of dollars just lying around to buy DCS modules. And the Apache is going to be one hell of a popular module. It's going to bring things to DCS that it doesn't currently have, a d it's the first western attack helicopter in game. While it will be cool the F-15E brings nothing new. Any mission it can fly can also be flown by the F-18, or the F-16. So for someone choosing they may very well choose the Apache especially if they own one of the fourth generation jets. Razbam know this. I believe it would be wise to let the hybe die down a bit after the Apache release then release the F-15E. Also I suspect they plan to release it in a pretty polished state. That takes time and testing. It took HB five years to get the Tomcat out on the market. A d the F-15E is a much much more complicated jet. But I bet when it dose finally release it's going to be amazing. 

People are still going to buy whatever modules they want whenever they have the means to do so. Releasing them at the same time or at different times changes nothing. I think you'll find that quite a lot of people here buy many aircraft that overlap with each other. I own both the F-16 and the F/A-18. They both can essentially do the same things, so why didn't I just stick with one? Because I like both jets and I like to switch things up every so often. I don't exactly have hundreds of dollars laying around either, but I did buy everything I own over time by saving up.

I don't get this belief that having modules come out at the same time will somehow cause people to not buy one of them? If they want both modules they'll get them. If they only want one then they'll get the one they want.

[Beirut]

1 hour ago, FlankerKiller said:

That's good for you, but not everyone has hundreds of dollars just lying around to buy DCS modules.

 

The money in my Steam account come from hard work. I add it in piecemeal so that I have enough to buy a module or two during the winter without hitting the credit card. I can assure you, my esteemed fellow flyer, I am not rich.

 

1 hour ago, FlankerKiller said:

And the Apache is going to be one hell of a popular module. It's going to bring things to DCS that it doesn't currently have, a d it's the first western attack helicopter in game. While it will be cool the F-15E brings nothing new. Any mission it can fly can also be flown by the F-18, or the F-16. So for someone choosing they may very well choose the Apache especially if they own one of the fourth generation jets. Razbam know this. I believe it would be wise to let the hybe die down a bit after the Apache release then release the F-15E. Also I suspect they plan to release it in a pretty polished state. That takes time and testing. It took HB five years to get the Tomcat out on the market. A d the F-15E is a much much more complicated jet. But I bet when it dose finally release it's going to be amazing. 

 

It's up to the individual to choose to buy what they wish to buy. I pre-ordered the Apache on Steam, but when I saw on Wag's videos how complicated it was going to be, I made the choice to cancel my pre-order. I chose not to buy it. I would still like to have it, but I decided to use the money in another way. My choice. I have mine, you have yours, as everyone here has their own.

I choose to buy the F-15E as soon as possible. And I think some others will as well. (And truth be told, I want the Blackshark 3 much more than the Apache.) 

[WarbossPetross]

19 часов назад, FlankerKiller сказал:

That's good for you, but not everyone has hundreds of dollars just lying around to buy DCS modules.

One thing with pricing that hardly anyone talks about here is the exchange rate. The toilet paper I'm paid in has a regular habit of inflating until you can't flush it down anymore. From that perspective it makes a lot of sense to buy things I'm interested in as soon as possible, just in case they stop adjusting my salary someday.

[M4ND4L0R3]

I think whilst the F/A-18 can do everything, having TWO two seater jets in DCS is just going to be amazing.

If I wanna fly ATA I can hop in the Tomcat with my friend.

If we wanna play multi-role we can hop in the F-15E.

Just a dynamic we need more of in DCS.

[Deano87]

Tell you what, one of the things I'm really looking forward to is having a high performance dual control aircraft. I'm going to love the multi-crew combat stuff but being able to literally show somebody how to fly something from the back seat and have them in the front watching the process and then be able to fly the same profile/attack/whatever a few seconds later is going to make training much easier, more realistic and fun.

[Ercoupe]

It's tempting to believe that the F15E is ready for release, because of that 2022 and beyond film. But, of course, I've seen that before. An airplane appears finished, but two or three years late still hasn't been released. The F4U for instance. Thought it was any day, now. That was three years ago. But this sure looks good. It's gonna be flying off of the shelves, no pun intended. I think it's the airplane everybody is going to want to be in. It'll be hard to find an open spot online!

[Beirut]

23 hours ago, M4ND4L0R3 said:

I think whilst the F/A-18 can do everything, having TWO two seater jets in DCS is just going to be amazing.
 

 

I like the idea of a big fat heavy high-tech two-seater ground pounder. The F-18 is great, but the bombload, MK82s for example, is the same as (less than?) the Harrier. I want more bombs, bigger, bombs, and on a faster plane. I want a chunk that can dunk with a thunk. I think the F-15E is where it's at for this. And it's just so bloody cool.

 

Be nice if it releases... today. 

[Tank50us]

13 hours ago, Deano87 said:

Tell you what, one of the things I'm really looking forward to is having a high performance dual control aircraft. I'm going to love the multi-crew combat stuff but being able to literally show somebody how to fly something from the back seat and have them in the front watching the process and then be able to fly the same profile/attack/whatever a few seconds later is going to make training much easier, more realistic and fun.

The odd thing is: this actually can apply to the hornet as well. Someone trained in the weapons employment on the Strike Eagle, could, in theory, employ the same weapons on the Hornet in nearly the same way. They are built by the same company irl after all, so it wouldn't surprise me if the same processes are there in both birds. That being said, having someone in the back seat who can employ all the AGW while someone in the front who barely understands the plane just trying to keep the aircraft stable is something missing from DCS.

[Deano87]

10 minutes ago, Tank50us said:

The odd thing is: this actually can apply to the hornet as well. Someone trained in the weapons employment on the Strike Eagle, could, in theory, employ the same weapons on the Hornet in nearly the same way. They are built by the same company irl after all, so it wouldn't surprise me if the same processes are there in both birds. That being said, having someone in the back seat who can employ all the AGW while someone in the front who barely understands the plane just trying to keep the aircraft stable is something missing from DCS.

For me it goes beyond switchology and stuff that applies specifically to the Mudhen weapon systems and its more about how to fly things correctly. How to fly a proper pop-up CCIP dive bomb attack, or lofting attack or how to properly evade a sam launch. Even simple things like how to fly a circuit and approach, and more challenging things like bad weather ILS, or AAR etc. Skills that are transferable between aircraft and are much easier to get to grips with if you can watch what an instructor does from within the same aircraft and then try it yourself moments later.

One thing that will help will be the ability to bring up the HUD repeater in the back seat with either the normal daylight camera video feed (as seen on the above MFDs) or the FLIR camera. This will allow an instructor in the back to literally watch somebody's ILS or bomb run or whatever "through" the pilots HUD and see what they are doing wrong, and help point them in the right direction. The amount of time I've spent watching tracks/videos from friends and then recording my own tracks/videos to send back to them to show them why they keep missing their targets, or exploding as soon as they release their weapons or any number of other things. Real-time training will be much more interesting and actually fun lol.

 

[Tank50us]

10 minutes ago, Deano87 said:

For me it goes beyond switchology and stuff that applies specifically to the Mudhen weapon systems and its more about how to fly things correctly. How to fly a proper pop-up CCIP dive bomb attack, or lofting attack or how to properly evade a sam launch. Even simple things like how to fly a circuit and approach, and more challenging things like bad weather ILS, or AAR etc. Skills that are transferable between aircraft and are much easier to get to grips with if you can watch what an instructor does from within the same aircraft and then try it yourself moments later.

One thing that will help will be the ability to bring up the HUD repeater in the back seat with either the normal daylight camera video feed (as seen on the above MFDs) or the FLIR camera. This will allow an instructor in the back to literally watch somebody's ILS or bomb run or whatever "through" the pilots HUD and see what they are doing wrong, and help point them in the right direction. The amount of time I've spent watching tracks/videos from friends and then recording my own tracks/videos to send back to them to show them why they keep missing their targets, or exploding as soon as they release their weapons or any number of other things. Real-time training will be much more interesting and actually fun lol.

 

This is doubly true when the only 'delay' is as a result of lag or understanding, rather than bouncing back and forth through telegram or Discord. Either way, when the SEagle comes in (finally), it'll change everything, and I wouldn't at all be surprised if ED introduces the F-16D and FA18D soon after for the reasons mentioned above.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

On 1/1/2022 at 3:56 PM, Beirut said:

Why on Earth not? We're not changing girlfriends. I don't need six-months between modules. I don't need six-days. I need about six-minutes - just long enough to hit the purchase buttons.

Agree, I don't need time, I need £££.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

On 1/6/2022 at 12:05 PM, Beirut said:

I like the idea of a big fat heavy high-tech two-seater ground pounder. The F-18 is great, but the bombload, MK82s for example, is the same as (less than?) the Harrier. I want more bombs, bigger, bombs, and on a faster plane. I want a chunk that can dunk with a thunk. I think the F-15E is where it's at for this. And it's just so bloody cool.

Sorry for super off-topics here. Since you guys ask:

And for some real bomb trucks:

Oh, almost forgot these:

Edited January 11, 2022 by VFGiPJP

[Beirut]

I have all of those except the Super Hornet. And good fun they are. More planes is good planes. 

 

But an F-15E remains an F-15E and it's just cool. Always had a lot of love for the F-15.  

[ITacHI]

F-15E, for me ever since I was a kid, has been the very definition of a 'fighter jet' and I can't believe that a proper, full module of this legend is finally coming to DCS.
Been waiting for a decade, what's 1 or 2 more years? 
Aaany month now...

Also, the Typhoon is coming to DCS as well, right?

The world really must be ending... 

[Nahen]

15 hours ago, ITacHI said:

F-15E, for me ever since I was a kid, has been the very definition of a 'fighter jet' and I can't believe that a proper, full module of this legend is finally coming to DCS.

Definition of "fighter jet" make F-15A/C no E...

[Qiou87]

51 minutes ago, Nahen said:

Definition of "fighter jet" make F-15A/C no E...

Let's not be close-minded: a fighter jet can engage in air-to-air combat. The F-15E, being a multirole strike fighter, can perform such tasks admirably. One of its main advantages indeed is that it is a strike aircraft that can escort itself. It carries medium to long-range missiles, has a capable air-to-air radar, and the power-to-weight ratio to fly high and fast for BVR engagements. The fact that, historically, the Mudhen has primarily been used as a strike aircraft is because it has this capability and the targets were mostly on the ground (the US hasn't faced a capable opponent in the air in a looong time), but the Strike Eagle nevertheless has the fighter aircraft capabilities.

A great addition to DCS, I am eager to see it and especially the AI system for solo flying. The reliance on the AI backseater has deterred me from purchasing the F-14, but I have great hopes for the SE. 

[Deano87]

6 minutes ago, Qiou87 said:

The reliance on the AI backseater has deterred me from purchasing the F-14

You should regardless tbh. It's a work of art. And Jester isn't that bad! He can work the TGP now.. and hey if you're flying single player you can swap to the back seat for the BVR stuff and then swap to the front seat once you get closer.

[Qiou87]

3 minutes ago, Deano87 said:

You should regardless tbh. It's a work of art. And Jester isn't that bad! He can work the TGP now.. and hey if you're flying single player you can swap to the back seat for the BVR stuff and then swap to the front seat once you get closer.

Thanks for the recommendation, but I have tried a couple of times, and honestly in VR the whole interface thing just breaks my immersion. I manage the Hind just fine because I don't need Petrovich most of the time. I am into DCS and VR flying for the feeling of flying, not for clicking on stuff and figuring out how to get the AI to do what I want. I am hoping the Mudhen is going to be the same, where I can do everything from the front, but can rely occasionally on the AI to help or for limited tasks only.

[Deano87]

4 minutes ago, Qiou87 said:

Thanks for the recommendation, but I have tried a couple of times, and honestly in VR the whole interface thing just breaks my immersion. I manage the Hind just fine because I don't need Petrovich most of the time. I am into DCS and VR flying for the feeling of flying, not for clicking on stuff and figuring out how to get the AI to do what I want. I am hoping the Mudhen is going to be the same, where I can do everything from the front, but can rely occasionally on the AI to help or for limited tasks only.

Fair enough! I fly VR as well but I don't have an issue with the Jester interface, but each to their own. Regarding the F-15E there wont be a backseat AI as its not required. The cockpit duties are not rigidly split like the F-14, there is nothing the WSO can do that the pilot cant afaik.

Edited January 17, 2022 by Deano87