Varjo Aero Compatibility

[Brainfreeze]

Well DCS does anyway.   Issue is more what for.  I know I cannot trust Facebook which will collect my data unrelated to them and use it / sell it to someone else without my knowledge.  They won't even tell me what data they collect (no I have not read the multiple T&C revisions  ).   ED does not tell me either to be honest.   If Varjo 'connects' just to ensure software is up to date and not to gather info about what I do , where I live and how many kids I have then I am fine with it. 

[cordite]

DCS has an offline mode.
 

Logging in for occasional updates is one thing, but if Varjo requires periodic connections to avoid becoming a $2000+ usd paperweight, that’s unacceptable.

[Wizard1701]

On 1/2/2022 at 7:37 PM, Maksim Savelev said:

Hello everyone! Just received my Varjo Aero yesterday. Today was struggling whole day making it work. Unfortunately, some weird distortion are happening during running of DCS. They are not the same, this headset is known for, those are seen in native software and games from steam running in SteamVR. Varjo base software supports both OpenVR and OpenXR runtime. Previously  I was running DCS using HP reverb G2 and running SteamVR for WMR headset application. I was also using a reprojection mode preferring high graphics settings with my RTX3090.  Now I’m starting DCS and I don’t know what kind of runtime it’s using. In fact I’m getting some weird distortion, like those normal ones but several times amplified and twisted I guess. Does someone have any advice on this?

 

Hello Maksim,

I had the same problem. I also used to have a G2 and now I got terrible distortions with DCS. I was able to improve it a bit by using the WMR debug tool https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/214525-wmr-debug-tool-cross-eye-alignment/ unfortunately distortions still remain when I move the head up or down, not as bad but still there.
But it looks like we both found some common ground here, a WMR headset used before the Aero. I will try the --force_varjo_VR command option tomorrow, maybe that will help but somehow we need to get rid of the remnants of the WMR.

 

[Maksim Savelev]

Thank you! Its nice to be not alone even in a such circumstances). I've tried this command today but it didnt help. Well it helped to get rid of this zoom distortion! but since this command presumably  was made to be used with VR2/3 and Vario XR-3, it gives screen flickering in the headset and 4 displays  preview drastically reducing performances even in the menu. So it might be that dcs is not supporting Varjo Aero at this moment. I\ve made a ticket both for Varjo and DCS support. Please make the same to make them see that this is a common problem. Best regards! 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Maksim Savelev

[Wizard1701]

11 hours ago, Maksim Savelev said:

Thank you! Its nice to be not alone even in a such circumstances). I've tried this command today but it didnt help. Well it helped to get rid of this zoom distortion! but since this command presumably  was made to be used with VR2/3 and Vario XR-3, it gives screen flickering in the headset and 4 displays  preview drastically reducing performances even in the menu. So it might be that dcs is not supporting Varjo Aero at this moment. I\ve made a ticket both for Varjo and DCS support. Please make the same to make them see that this is a common problem. Best regards! 

 

Hi Maksim,

I have now also tested the command and have come to the same conclusion. I can still recommend you to use the WMR debug tool, at least with the following values it looks a bit better for me:

Eye Left:

L_Out 1.2322603

L_In 0.701730

L_Top 1.00

L_BTM 1.00

Eye Right:

R_Out 1.2322603

R_In 0.701730

R_Top 1.00

R_BTM 1.00

 

I'm thinking about deleting all DCS settings (at least I can backup them and restore them if necessary) or reinstalling Windows.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Wizard1701

[Maksim Savelev]

Thank you! Well Ive tried to delete all settings and clean the registry than reinstall DCS. I wouldn't go for windows reinstallation at least for now) Still waiting for response from support. But Russian's one (I mean DCS) will no come earlier than 10 of January (holidays in Russia). Please let me no if you decide to reinstall windows and it helps:). 

[Wizard1701]

Unfortunately, my Aero also has two dead pixels, so I have now initiated the return.
Since the Aero is not perfect even without the particular problems with DCS, I will not choose a replacement model either. Maybe Varjo will get the problem under control at some point and I'll give it another chance, but until then I guess I'll keep hoping for a Valve Index 2.

[dburne]

2 hours ago, Wizard1701 said:

Unfortunately, my Aero also has two dead pixels, so I have now initiated the return.
Since the Aero is not perfect even without the particular problems with DCS, I will not choose a replacement model either. Maybe Varjo will get the problem under control at some point and I'll give it another chance, but until then I guess I'll keep hoping for a Valve Index 2.

If you already have an Index with the Lighthouse tracking and controllers, the Vive Pro 2 is a nice upgrade especially since it can utilize the same tracking and controllers. I have both and VP2 image clarity is quite nice as compared to Index.

[Maksim Savelev]

4 часа назад, Wizard1701 сказал:

Unfortunately, my Aero also has two dead pixels, so I have now initiated the return.
Since the Aero is not perfect even without the particular problems with DCS, I will not choose a replacement model either. Maybe Varjo will get the problem under control at some point and I'll give it another chance, but until then I guess I'll keep hoping for a Valve Index 2.

It’s sad to hear you’ve got those broken pixels. I’m using my trusty HPreverb G2 as a back up! 
By the way way, I finally managed to run VR debug tool and swapped both eyes from top to bottom, and it worked somehow. Now everything looks great! But the simulator is not flyable yet and the reason is lack of reprojection for Varjo headset. And it’s very sad. Even paid for Varjo and got in my hands, I’m still flying with my previous one.

[cordite]

Even with a 3090? This headset is inspiring all kinds of confidence.

[Maksim Savelev]

Doesn’t matter which graphics card you have, even with 3090SLI you won’t be able to run DCS without reprojection. 180fps (90fps for each eye) in resolution of 2800*2800 is unreachable I think 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Maksim Savelev

[JayRoc]

Does Steam VR run when you are using the Varjo?

[Maksim Savelev]

Yes it does, but unfortunately, even Varjo base (Varjo software) supports OpenVR and OpenXR runtimes, it doesn’t support reprojections or motion smoothness 

[dburne]

I am really a little put off right now with Varjo. What good to get in early on the pre-order on day 1 when apparently they are only servicing European customers first no matter the place in line.

Starting to get a bad taste in my mouth for Varjo. I guess the only upside is in perhaps the software maturing a bit during the wait. But my experience so far with the pre-order is not so good now as it seems it matters not when the order was placed but where you live.

[Brainfreeze]

3 minutes ago, dburne said:

I am really a little put off right now with Varjo. What good to get in early on the pre-order on day 1 when apparently they are only servicing European customers first no matter the place in line.

Starting to get a bad taste in my mouth for Varjo. I guess the only upside is in perhaps the software maturing a bit during the wait. But my experience so far with the pre-order is not so good now as it seems it matters not when the order was placed but where you live.

Doubt there is anything like a 'geographical preference' ... would think it is more to do with logistics / customs / shipping / distributors and the likes

Edited January 7, 2022 by Brainfreeze

[Supmua]

Varjo supports reprojections (1:2, 1:3, 1:4, and so on).  It just doesn't have functioning motion smoothing at the moment (called motion prediction in the software setting), this is coming though.

2 minutes ago, Brainfreeze said:

Doubt there is anything like a 'geographical preference' ... would think it is more to do with logistics / customs / shipping / distributors and the likes

 

Either that or US customers tend to be more vocal and entitled, lol.  Anyway, Euro customers are paying more so Iet them enjoy it first.

[Nodak]

Trans-oceanic shipping is nearly a bust at snails pace, there's limited air capacity due to the ship backlogs, that means extra costs.  Can't blame them for waiting, its get in line pal, or pay off the troll.

[peachmonkey]

On 1/4/2022 at 3:34 PM, Brainfreeze said:

seen this on varjo website...

Varjo Aero

When setting up Varjo Aero for the first time, you will need an internet connection to log in with your Varjo Account. Choose “Remember me” on the login screen to avoid having to log in every time. After logging in, you can use the headset without an internet connection.

Varjo Base will periodically ask you to log in again, at which point you will again need an internet connection.

Not sure what periodically means...

yikes..  this stinks of anti-consumer behavior.

[GPatricks]

9 hours ago, Maksim Savelev said:

Yes it does, but unfortunately, even Varjo base (Varjo software) supports OpenVR and OpenXR runtimes, it doesn’t support reprojections or motion smoothness 

 

Have you gone on the Varjo Gamers Club Discord to look for help? There is a sub-group "flight Sims/#dcs-world" there and Varjo, while not officially, "watches" that discord.. I do believe the Varjo requires SteamVR, is this part of the issue? Seems like many have run DCS with Varjo headsets quite successfully? My biggest worry is getting VRNeckSafer to work with it when it arrives, or pray DCS or IL2 institute their own solutions for checking 6 for us without owl-necks.. I have been in contact (use the form on Varjo's site) with support and they have been extremely quick to respond, and I don't even own one yet! As for the internet connection, you have to remember they are a company that wants their equipment to always be fully updated so every headset is the same to be able to support it well. I have 0 issues with that... IIRC every time I start DCS it looks for an update, no?

Edited January 7, 2022 by =LD=Icer

[GPatricks]

On 1/6/2022 at 5:19 PM, Maksim Savelev said:

It’s sad to hear you’ve got those broken pixels. I’m using my trusty HPreverb G2 as a back up! 
By the way way, I finally managed to run VR debug tool and swapped both eyes from top to bottom, and it worked somehow. Now everything looks great! But the simulator is not flyable yet and the reason is lack of reprojection for Varjo headset. And it’s very sad. Even paid for Varjo and got in my hands, I’m still flying with my previous one.

This fix? 

 

[eaglecash867]

7 hours ago, Nodak said:

Trans-oceanic shipping is nearly a bust at snails pace, there's limited air capacity due to the ship backlogs, that means extra costs.  Can't blame them for waiting, its get in line pal, or pay off the troll.

The trans-oceanic shipping itself isn't too much of a problem, and customs here in the US seems to be getting things done pretty efficiently...its when the item reaches the "destination sorting center" that things seem to slow to a crawl.  Still waiting for some electronic parts that came all the way from China to the US in about 4 days, cleared customs in 1 day, and have been sitting in the sorting center for almost 2 weeks since then.  OTOH, items I have been ordering from the UK get to my door in about 2 weeks.  Seems like the US west coast ports of entry are a real bottleneck right now.

[dburne]

I did not have any delays with shipments of some Virpil hardware. It was pretty quick really. But that was coming from Belarus I think.

I think Varjo has just not started shipping to the U.S. now for whatever reason. Not real happy about that. The whole point on jumping in early on a pre-order was hopes to get the device - early.

Edited January 8, 2022 by dburne

[Brainfreeze]

Virpil ships from Belarus.  Varjo from China

[Maksim Savelev]

19 часов назад, =LD=Icer сказал:

This fix? 

 

That’s correct. It helped 

[GPatricks]

16 hours ago, Neelfy said:

Hi Maksim

I got my Aero yesteday and immediately noticed the distortion same as you.

Hopefully there will be some kind of fix. I have been searching and found your post so if I do find any info on a fix I will report back and let you know.

Isn't this the fix?