Coding Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 At around 08:03 ingame time I fiddle with the tacan options. It does not work in a/a mode. but when treating it as a ground station it works. bugflight.trk bugflight.miz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted December 27, 2021 ED Team Share Posted December 27, 2021 reported already thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Yes I know that something similar was already reported: https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/289644-tacan-not-working-in-aa-mode/#comment-4854403 But I just wanted to add that this is not JUST a problem of the F-18, but also with other planes, at least with the A-10II. This was working perfectly for years now, I have noticed this after the Stable update Posted December 30, 2021, DCS 2.7.9.18080. Please advise. A-10-II-Refuel.miz F-18-Refuel.miz Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 12, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 12, 2022 Hi, the team are discussing it internally, but for now taking it out of AA TCN and using T/R you should get better results. Once I have a full picture of what is happening I will let you know or it will be in the change logs. I will move this report to general bugs as it is not hornet specific. thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, the team are discussing it internally, but for now taking it out of AA TCN and using T/R you should get better results. Once I have a full picture of what is happening I will let you know or it will be in the change logs. I will move this report to general bugs as it is not hornet specific. thanks Hi, many thanks. As you can see in the pictures, I was using T/R already. I have accomplished dozens of similar flights in the past, always setting the Tanker in the ME and the plane in the mission in the same manner. The problem arose only after the after the Stable update DCS 2.7.9.18080. BTW, I forgot something: Supercarrier, and land Tacan stations work perfectly OK, with both Planes. Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 12, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 12, 2022 yes we are aware. But try without AA TCN let me know if it helps Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Yes, deselecting AA TCN (as one would do for a ground station or the supercarrier) works. Though it is not supposed to work that way, right? Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psicodreamics Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I have tested TACAN in the F-5E, C-101EB and F-18C in NEVADA and SIRIA and does not work fine. I dont have any file to show but hope you solve this ASAP [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Keep informed about DCS World news at: ALLIED FLYING FORCE CPU Intel Core i7-6700K 4.00 Ghz / Gigabyte Z170X Gaming Motherboard / Memory 32GB DDR4 / Graphic Card Asus GTX1080 Turbo/ S.O. Win 10 Pro 64bits / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 17 hours ago, Psicodreamics said: I have tested TACAN in the F-5E, C-101EB and F-18C in NEVADA and SIRIA and does not work fine. I dont have any file to show but hope you solve this ASAP Deselecting AA TCN, (Only T/R), as one would do for a ground station or the supercarrier, works. Though it is not supposed to work that way, for AA units AA-REC or AA-T/R has to be selected, as it was the correctly the case before the bug which was introduced with the Stable update DCS 2.7.9.18080. Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8KIDD8 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 12/27/2021 at 8:58 PM, BIGNEWY said: reported already thanks Still broken A/A Tacan, Can we get the Fix soon or date for the fix??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 27, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, 8KIDD8 said: Still broken A/A Tacan, Can we get the Fix soon or date for the fix??? it is more complicated than first thought sorry, the team need more time to research the AA TCN behaviour 4 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 13 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: it is more complicated than first thought sorry, the team need more time to research the AA TCN behaviour Great to hear, that the team is on it and is even seeking additional information for realistic TCN modelling 2 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Still don't understand why something that had worked properly since literally ages, and several DCS versions, now suddenly is broken, and in the stable DCS version But hey, I am no programmer..... Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predator-78 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Released yesterday update and still not working ... I understand the amount of work ... but what the hell until recently it has always worked. CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700K 3.60 GHz - DDR4 32,0 GB - MSI RTX3080ti - Win 11 64bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I am on Stable version, so I can't comment, but indeed, it is very difficult to grasp..... Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 29, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 29, 2022 On 1/28/2022 at 2:56 PM, ac5 said: Still don't understand why something that had worked properly since literally ages, and several DCS versions, now suddenly is broken, and in the stable DCS version But hey, I am no programmer..... stable version will still have bugs, it is essentially the open beta version that has been pushed to stable. Its called stable version as it is less likely to contain show stopping crashes as we use open beta to find the major issues first. thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanab Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 47 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: stable version will still have bugs, it is essentially the open beta version that has been pushed to stable. Its called stable version as it is less likely to contain show stopping crashes as we use open beta to find the major issues first. thanks Yes but why you push this tacan bug on stable version ? this bug was here on closed and open bêta before….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 16 hours ago, hanab said: Yes but why you push this tacan bug on stable version ? this bug was here on closed and open bêta before….. Good question. Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanab Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 19 hours ago, ac5 said: Good question. Yes but any CM can answer it. Perhaps @NineLine or @BIGNEWY will close this topic because it's easier to do that than to say they made a mistake it could be their answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 31, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 31, 2022 Sorry that you did not understand my previous reply. The TCN issue is not a show stopper, it does not stop you from using DCS. Updates are for the whole of DCS, we do not remove individual bugs from stable, they get fixed and patched. The TCN issue is being worked on when there is a fix it will get pushed through our versions to the stable version. Hanab if you are going to be sarcastic please move on 2 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanab Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, BIGNEWY said: Hanab if you are going to be sarcastic please move on I am not sarcastic but realistic. You always said that if players wanted to enjoy the best version of the game with fewer bugs, they should play on the stable version. It was therefore forbidden to complain if players played on the beta because it was normal to have issues on it. But now the stable is as much or even more buggy than the beta…. I love this game but I'm not a fanboy, I prefer to say the things that bother me than to constantly say « shut up and take my money ». I am therefore critical to make you give my feelings but in fact you have nothing to do with it. Might as well close this official forum and it's useless to have a contrary opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 31, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, hanab said: I am not sarcastic but realistic. You always said that if players wanted to enjoy the best version of the game with fewer bugs, they should play on the stable version. It was therefore forbidden to complain if players played on the beta because it was normal to have issues on it. But now the stable is as much or even more buggy than the beta…. I love this game but I'm not a fanboy, I prefer to say the things that bother me than to constantly say « shut up and take my money ». I am therefore critical to make you give my feelings but in fact you have nothing to do with it. Might as well close this official forum and it's useless to have a contrary opinion. If you are going to turn every report being made here into some argument its not helpful, your sly remarks dont go unnoticed, you have given your feedback and I have replied. Regarding this particular bug with the AA TACAN I have spoken with the dev and it seems some changes made did not account correctly for older missions, he will add some regression checks that should help. thanks 1 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac5 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 This has nothing to do with older missions. I have just created one from scratch, included. And also have a look at the screenshots.... Test-TACAN-AA.miz 1 Mainboard: ASUS Maximus X Hero Intel Z 370 CPU: Intel Core i7-8086K @ 4.0 GHz Memory: 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4-3000 Graphics Card: ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB Monitor ASUS PA 329 32" @ 4K 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 256 GB 1 SSD Samsung 860 PRO 4 TB Windows 10 - 64 V. 2004 CH Pro combatstick, throttle and pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/27/2022 at 2:53 PM, BIGNEWY said: it is more complicated than first thought sorry, the team need more time to research the AA TCN behaviour In support of TACAN behavior research, here is my understanding (reference MIL-STD-291C): Signal from airplane (interrogate) All pulse pairs are 12 µs spaced within the pair, further spacing details refer to the interval between these pairs X mode: Pulse-pair sequence with 12 µs separation Y mode: Pulse-pair sequence with 36 µs separation A/A mode: Pulse-single sequence with 12 µs X and 24 µs Y. Signal from ground/tanker (reply) Reply frequency -63MHz (X low band), +63MHz (X high band), +63MHz (Y low band), -63MHz (Y high band) A/A mode receives at +63MHz (X/Y low band) and -63MHz (X/Y high band) X mode: Pulse-pair sequence with 12 µs separation, distance reply delay of 50 µs Y mode: Pulse-pair sequence with 30 µs separation, distance reply delay of 74 µs A/A mode: Pulse-single sequence with 24 µs separation, distance reply delay of 62 µs X or 74 µs Y. Bearing signal Consist of a double modulated series of reply/pseudo-reply responses double modulated (directional sweeping 15 rotations per second) as a 15Hz and 135Hz wave compared against a MRB and ARB set of omnidirectional reference bursts for azimuth information. MRB consists of 12 pulse pairs at 30 µs internal for X and 13 single pulses for Y all occurring at 15Hz centered on the "east" bearing ARB consists of 6 pulse pairs at 24 µs (basically 24 pulses equally spaced at 12 µs) for X and 13 single pulses spaced at 15 µs all occurring at 135Hz centered on the auxiliary peaks except when they would overlap with the MRB signal. Noise, distance reply, and identification can't occur during MRB/ARB events Identity is broadcast every 37.5s +-10% with some equalizing pulses to avoid any bearing error. Long-long-long story short X, Y, X AA, Y AA all have enough differences between them that it's guaranteed that DME will fail cross-mode. The single/double pulse pairing, frequency allocations, and pulse interval are distinct. It looks like bearing info should similarly fail unless the receiver is in the appropriate mode to decode the signal single/double and pulse interval being different. From what I can discern from the document an AG 1X configured airplane won't see anything on channel 1 except an AG X configured host and the same for Y, X A/A, Y A/A and all the combinations which are mismatched. Famously same-mode but mirrored channel operation should work, the common "yardstick" DME between airplanes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippis Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/28/2022 at 3:56 PM, ac5 said: Still don't understand why something that had worked properly since literally ages, and several DCS versions, now suddenly is broken, and in the stable DCS version But hey, I am no programmer..... If it's any consolation, I wouldn't quite say that it has worked properly for ages — AA TACAN has consistently been a contradictory and confusing mess with ever-changing answers as to how to make it work, how it does work, and how it should work in relation to various other aircraft. TACAN has been reasonably stable overall; AA TACAN has been apparently broken, explained away, suddenly fixed supposedly without being broken, (re)broken(?) and possibly fixed (or just explained away again) on a number of occasions. This is just a new(?) chapter in that back-and-forth story. 1 ❧ ❧ Inside you are two wolves. One cannot land; the other shoots friendlies. You are a Goon. ❧ ❧ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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