riojax Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 (edited) This module is showing their age and now don't look like first day. Maybe a little rework can be made. I think that the first task can be rework the RWR logic and the AN/APQ-159(V)-3 using the new radar API and then show us a real representation of an analog radar and not a semi-digital block based one, this for sure worth the invested work. Also some bug-fixing is needed. Later better textures, PBR, etc. (I think that the 3D model is good enough for today's) Edited January 19, 2022 by riojax 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clepper Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Waiting to an update for this module to purchase it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 As far as I am aware, ED is doing F-5 overhaul, regarding textures, PBR and probably some 3D improvements. I am not sure, however, when it will be released, since they have a lot of modules to both release/finish EA stage and to upgrade to current standards. I am not sure about anything regarding re-working radar or adding features to F-5. I don't think that was mentioned, but I can be wrong. I remember F-5 update was reported "on progress" last year though, so maybe this year we will see it released, or at least some info about current state. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unlikely_spider Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 There is some texture mod in the user files section that is pretty good, I think. 1 Modules: Wright Flyer, Spruce Goose, Voyager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucShep Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 21 hours ago, unlikely_spider said: There is some texture mod in the user files section that is pretty good, I think. Yep, some pretty good ones available: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305829/ https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3306823/ https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3316694/ 1 1 CGTC Caucasus retexture mod | A-10A cockpit retexture mod | Shadows reduced impact mod | DCS 2.5.6 (the best version for performance, VR or 2D) = aka Luke Marqs; call sign "Ducko" = Spoiler Win10 Pro x64 | Intel i7 12700K (@5.1/5.0p + 3.9e) | 64GB DDR4 @3466 CL16 (Crucial Ballistix) | RTX 3090 24GB EVGA FTW3 Ultra | 2TB NVMe (MP600 Pro XT) + 500GB SSD (WD Blue) + 3TB HDD (Toshiba P300) + 1TB HDD (WD Blue) | Corsair RMX 850W | Asus Z690 TUF+ D4 | TR PA120SE | Fractal Meshify C | M-Audio USB + Sennheiser HD-599SE | 7x USB 3.0 Hub | 50'' 4K Philips 7608/12 UHD TV (+Head Tracking) | HP Reverb G1 Pro (VR) | TM Warthog + Logitech X56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoorMouse Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/18/2022 at 10:56 AM, Fairey Gannet said: As far as I am aware, ED is doing F-5 overhaul, regarding textures, PBR and probably some 3D improvements. I am not sure, however, when it will be released, since they have a lot of modules to both release/finish EA stage and to upgrade to current standards. I am not sure about anything regarding re-working radar or adding features to F-5. I don't think that was mentioned, but I can be wrong. I remember F-5 update was reported "on progress" last year though, so maybe this year we will see it released, or at least some info about current state. That would be welcome news. I had not heard this.... and its been the neglected step child of ED's modules for years until they decided to make wings rip off hilariously last patch.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, DoorMouse said: That would be welcome news. I had not heard this.... and its been the neglected step child of ED's modules for years until they decided to make wings rip off hilariously last patch.... Here, F-5 (external model and PBR textures) are stated as "on progress". And here - model showcase, F-5 in the works among them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riojax Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Fairey Gannet said: Here, F-5 (external model and PBR textures) are stated as "on progress". That's ok and very welcome, but the major current issues are the RWR and radar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoorMouse Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, riojax said: That's ok and very welcome, but the major current issues are the RWR and radar. And the wings ripping off hilariously inside its published safety factor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riojax Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, DoorMouse said: And the wings ripping off hilariously inside its published safety factor +1, also the current AI FM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 I know guys, I would also want to see some more essential changes. Sadly, there is nothing mentioned about them. Maybe they will be implemented, since keeping older modules on par with the new ones would include some changes that are not just updated visuals. That isn't a fact, though, it is just opinion, and I can be in the wrong, so keep that in mind. About AI FM, I know that more realistic AI behaviour and FM actually is something that is worked on, so the changes most likely will include F-5 as well. But that is not F-5 specific, just all AI in general. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1MajorKoenig Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Am 19.1.2022 um 17:17 schrieb DoorMouse: until they decided to make wings rip off hilariously last patch.... Was wondering as well why the wings fall off pretty easy when doing slightly more dynamic instant turns. Does anyone know if the current behaviour is in fact correct and that the plane has to be handled with that much care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=475FG= Dawger Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said: Was wondering as well why the wings fall off pretty easy when doing slightly more dynamic instant turns. Does anyone know if the current behaviour is in fact correct and that the plane has to be handled with that much care? It is not correct. However, ED has been trending towards unrealistic structural failure modeling in other modules (F/A18) as a method to deter high G maneuver. It is a sad development. There is no logical end to modifying real world characteristics in pursuit of “correct” gameplay. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick_441 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Would love to see some upgrade similar to what Brazil did (A2A Refuelling kit & AIM-9M ability). I think these would not be too much to ask. Unlikely items would be some kind of avionics upgrades (2nd radio, digital display of some kind with waypoint capability, or a HUD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironious Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I'd like to be able to hear the missile tone above the wind sound. Missile volume is turned all the way up. If I turn the computer volume louder the wind gets louder too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 12:27 PM, =475FG= Dawger said: However, ED has been trending towards unrealistic structural failure modeling in other modules (F/A18) as a method to deter high G maneuver. More realistic damage model is on progress - warbirds got it first, and now it will be adapted for jets. Perhaps what we got in F-5 is somewhat stop-gap solution, and problem will be solved with an introduction of new DM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=475FG= Dawger Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Fairey Gannet said: More realistic damage model is on progress - warbirds got it first, and now it will be adapted for jets. Perhaps what we got in F-5 is somewhat stop-gap solution, and problem will be solved with an introduction of new DM? I sincerely hope you are right. However, the damage modeling in DCS warbirds is godawful bad. Not the structural failure modeling. I never really encountered any issues along those lines in the warbirds. Other aspects are game-breaking bad. The 475th is, historically, a WWII Fighter Group both in reality and virtually. We gave up on DCS warbirds because of the damage modeling issues. I would love to believe everything about DCS damage modeling is a work in progress and someday soon it will all be corrected to something resembling reality. Ever hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said: I sincerely hope you are right. However, the damage modeling in DCS warbirds is godawful bad. Not the structural failure modeling. I never really encountered any issues along those lines in the warbirds. Other aspects are game-breaking bad. The 475th is, historically, a WWII Fighter Group both in reality and virtually. We gave up on DCS warbirds because of the damage modeling issues. I would love to believe everything about DCS damage modeling is a work in progress and someday soon it will all be corrected to something resembling reality. Ever hopeful. Yes, I didn't said precisely if it will be damage model or structural failure modeling, but that is because I don't know that. I only remember, that in some interview upgrade to DM was mentioned - first for warbirds and then for hairdryers. And it is on Silver Dragon's roadmap as "on progress", some time by now in fact. As for interview - I can misremember, and if I said something not true to facts - no ill will here, just plain stupid. But I think I got it right - damage model for WW2 was released with 2.5.6 version in 2020, now jets are being worked on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=475FG= Dawger Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Fairey Gannet said: Yes, I didn't said precisely if it will be damage model or structural failure modeling, but that is because I don't know that. I only remember, that in some interview upgrade to DM was mentioned - first for warbirds and then for hairdryers. And it is on Silver Dragon's roadmap as "on progress", some time by now in fact. As for interview - I can misremember, and if I said something not true to facts - no ill will here, just plain stupid. But I think I got it right - damage model for WW2 was released with 2.5.6 version in 2020, now jets are being worked on. I consider damage modeling and structural failure modeling to be inextricably tied together. Well, I hope they would be inextricably tied together. Damage to the structure should influence its structural failures. They don't seem to work that way right now at the moment. Again, maybe someday. I also recall the warbirds receiving the new and " improved " damage modeling. Disappointing so far, to say the least. I hope the warbirds are still being worked on 'cause they are certainly not finished WRT damage modeling. I would love to fly DCS warbirds again PvP. Edited January 27, 2022 by =475FG= Dawger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, =475FG= Dawger said: I consider damage modeling and structural failure modeling to be inextricably tied together. Well, I hope they would be inextricably tied together. Damage to the structure should influence its structural failures. They don't seem to work that way right now at the moment. Again, maybe someday. I also recall the warbirds receiving the new and " improved " damage modeling. Disappointing so far, to say the least. I hope the warbirds are still being worked on 'cause they are certainly not finished WRT damage modeling. I would love to fly DCS warbirds again PvP. I don't own any props in DCS, just Cold War vacuum cleaners, so I can't speak about DM model from my experience, sadly. And I don't know much about DM modeling, like you said though - damage model probably is tied with structural. That makes sense. All I could really gather is what I posted. If I can speculate, combining all of that, I would come to the following conclusion: F-5 will be reworked, including PBR, textures and model. Those probably will be tied to mentioned damage model to the jets - it makes sense to do 3D work with new ways of falling apart in mind. Since DM model will affect AI airplanes as well, new AI FM will have to incorporate that. Besides that, F-5 cockpit is still looking decent, but fresh coat of paint won't hurt. I didn't stumbled upon anything else regarding F-5. In one interview with Waggs, he stated, that F-5 is one of their favourites and there is intention to revisit it at some point. Will those changes be considered "revisiting", or perhaps some more serious upgrades, like radar/RWR will be included - remains to be seen. Edited January 27, 2022 by Fairey Gannet Typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorBrasil Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Fairey Gannet said: I don't own any props in DCS, just Cold War vacuum cleaners, so I can't speak about DM model from my experience, sadly. And I don't know much about DM modeling, like you said though - damage model probably is tied with structural. That makes sense. All I could really gather is what I posted. If I can speculate, combining all of that, I would come to the following conclusion: F-5 will be reworked, including PBR, textures and model. Those probably will be tied to mentioned damage model to the jets - it makes sense to do 3D work with new ways of falling apart in mind. Since DM model will affect AI airplanes as well, new AI FM will have to incorporate that. Besides that, F-5 cockpit is still looking decent, but fresh coat of paint won't hurt. I didn't stumbled upon anything else regarding F-5. In one interview with Waggs, he stated, that F-5 is one of their favourites and there is intention to revisit it at some point. Will those changes be considered "revisiting", or perhaps some more serious upgrades, like radar/RWR will be included - remains to be seen. Things I'd love about the F-5E. A picture speaks a thousand words. I also want a new high definition 3D model with new textures in 4k and PBR. 3 |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 ED has MAC underway, which includes the F-5. They can't possibly afford to release a new product with obsolete graphics and a cockpit geometry that's wrong in VR. This has been stated before in previous threads about this topic. Also, ED stated themselves they will do exactly that (I believe it was in either the 2020 or 2021 roadmap). 1 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 1/28/2022 at 7:12 PM, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: ED has MAC underway, which includes the F-5. They can't possibly afford to release a new product with obsolete graphics and a cockpit geometry that's wrong in VR. This has been stated before in previous threads about this topic. Also, ED stated themselves they will do exactly that (I believe it was in either the 2020 or 2021 roadmap). Yeah, I suspect that many of an older ED modules will be upgraded simultaneously with MAC release, in terms of graphics, models cockpit geometry. I guess that is the reason for lack of visual upgrades since last 5 years - I remember MAC's trailer stating "This autumn!" back in 2018. Though if those visuals were ready back then, now they need overhaul anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, Fairey Gannet said: Though if those visuals were ready back then, now they need overhaul anyway. Indeed: technology keeps moving forward, and the F-14 set a new bar for DCS. Even the Hornet’s cockpit looks outdated compared to today's standards… Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairey Gannet Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: Indeed: technology keeps moving forward, and the F-14 set a new bar for DCS. Even the Hornet’s cockpit looks outdated compared to today's standards… Hah, that is true! Something tells me, though, it wasn't really ready back then. It has been 4 years, well 3,5. If MAC didn't surfaced during that period... Well, MAC trailer video is locked away, I think that speak volumes. Personally though, I am more interested in technical changes (regardless of module), like radar simulation, IFF codes, FM's etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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