Linx Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Have you noticed any performance difference between the two ECM pods or is it purely cosmetical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilo Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Haven't exactly experimented with the performance, but the long pod is heavier. Все буде добре Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 AFAIK, the difference IRL is the addition of a low band module, allowing it to target longer wavelength/lower frequency RADARs. RADAR frequency/wavelength/band isn't a thing in DCS (even as just a class), so I imagine the change is mostly cosmetic, besides the increased weight. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinky.ben Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) @BIGNEWY @NineLine @Wags is someone able to provide some more information about the new implementation of the new ALQ-184 long version? What’s the difference within DCS between the two versions other then visual. Thank you. Edited January 28, 2022 by Blinky.ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobel Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 The first tests have shown that there are no differences. still. it said this year there is a greater focus on ECM. think times to come more and then you corresponding videos of Wags 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wilson Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I want to upset you even more... I tested it on the example of a battle with a new complex in the DCS S-200 SA-5 and as a result it became clear that the ECM does not help at all )) Short, long or without it, it will attack you the same way from 70-80 miles. I do not add the track file because it is very large. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseJames38 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I had good Success of braking a lock multiple times from a mig-25. Even after the Mig launched a missile it broke lock from the aircraft. perhaps more tests need to happen with airborne radars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Mr. Wilson said: I want to upset you even more... I tested it on the example of a battle with a new complex in the DCS S-200 SA-5 and as a result it became clear that the ECM does not help at all )) Short, long or without it, it will attack you the same way from 70-80 miles. I do not add the track file because it is very large. This is not true of all units. The F-16's ECM is indeed functional and can provide SAM protection. I have not found any difference between the 184's yet though. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Mr. Wilson said: I want to upset you even more... I tested it on the example of a battle with a new complex in the DCS S-200 SA-5 and as a result it became clear that the ECM does not help at all )) Short, long or without it, it will attack you the same way from 70-80 miles. I do not add the track file because it is very large. This is not true it will lower SA-5 lock range significantly, its not a magic button that will just stop it from locking you at any range, as you come closer it becomes less and less effective. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricux Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Furiz said: This is not true it will lower SA-5 lock range significantly, its not a magic button that will just stop it from locking you at any range, as you come closer it becomes less and less effective. For me in SA-2 test, missile firing range drop 20% for long pod compared to short. So I think there is a slight advantage of long one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickos86 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I honestly don't understand why @BIGNEWY@NineLine or one of the DEVs simply don't answer this question... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted January 28, 2022 ED Team Share Posted January 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, nickos86 said: I honestly don't understand why @BIGNEWY@NineLine or one of the DEVs simply don't answer this question... I will ask the team. Be patient 4 7 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wilson Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 часа назад, Furiz сказал: This is not true it will lower SA-5 lock range significantly, its not a magic button that will just stop it from locking you at any range, as you come closer it becomes less and less effective. well I'll record the track in the future then) but I have an idea why your range has decreased... I think you set him a low level of intelligence. Write your exact loc and attack range data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCaboose Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 I did a whole bunch of testing. Although there seems to be no difference in burn through range, the Long variant seemed to consistently break locks more quickly, perhaps allowing you to stay in the threat range for longer. 1 476th vFG Website, 476th vFG Discord, 476th vFG Pipeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C3PO Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 What’s the weight penalty between the two? Now: Water-cooled Ryzen 5800X + 32GB DDR 4 3200 RAM + EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra 24 GB + Reverb G2 + Add-on PCI-e 3.1 card + 2x1TB Corsair M.2 4900/4200 + TM HOTAS Warthog + TM TPR Pendular Rudder 'Engaged Defensive' YouTube Channel Modules: F/A-18C / AV-8B / F-16 / F-15E / F-4E (when it lands) / Persian Gulf / Syria / Nevada / Sinai / South Atlantic Backup: Water-cooled i7 6700K @ 4.5GHz + 32GB DDR4 3200MHz + GTX 1080 8GB + 1TB M.2 1k drive & 250GB SSD drive 500MBps 4K 40" monitor + TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisibull Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Around 100lbs i9 9900k - GTX 2080 Ti - MSI Z87 GD65 Mobo - 64GB HyperX Predator RGB DDR4 3200MHz - Win10 64 bit - TM Warthog w FSSB R3 mod - TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofflaw Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 When things like this are added, do they typically update the manual? I'm really not complaining here; I'm usually excited to see new features and toys - I just feel like unless Wags makes a video, we have to figure some of these things out for ourselves. I really appreciate the DCS community going out and testing these things. You guys are much more patient than I am. run come save me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartinDBS Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Scofflaw said: When things like this are added, do they typically update the manual? Obviously not. The F-16C Early Access Guide has been last updated on 24th October 2021. [Modules] A-10C, A-10C II, AH-64D, F-14A/B, F-16C, F/A-18C, FC3, Ka-50, P-51D, UH-1H, CA, SC [Maps] PG, NTTR, Normandy, Sinai, Syria, TC [OS] Windows 11 Pro [PC] MSI Pro Z790-A, i9-13900K, 64 GB DDR5-5200, RTX 4090 24 GB GDDR6X, 2 x SSD 990 PRO 2 TB (M.2), Corsair 5000D Airflow, HX1500i, H150i RGB Elite, Acer X28, TM HOTAS Warthog (Grip@WarBRD Base), MS SW FFB2, Thrustmaster TFRP, TrackIR 5 & TrackClip Pro [Checklists] A-10C, F-16C, F/A-18C, AH-64D, Ka-50, UH-1H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisibull Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Scofflaw said: When things like this are added, do they typically update the manual? I'm really not complaining here; I'm usually excited to see new features and toys - I just feel like unless Wags makes a video, we have to figure some of these things out for ourselves. I really appreciate the DCS community going out and testing these things. You guys are much more patient than I am. I asked nineline about this last night on discord and he said they’re working on updating it as far as he knows. Totally agree that with the amount of new features, letting the manual go by the wayside since October really isn’t acceptable. 3 1 i9 9900k - GTX 2080 Ti - MSI Z87 GD65 Mobo - 64GB HyperX Predator RGB DDR4 3200MHz - Win10 64 bit - TM Warthog w FSSB R3 mod - TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wilson Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 10 часов назад, AlexCaboose сказал: I did a whole bunch of testing. Although there seems to be no difference in burn through range, the Long variant seemed to consistently break locks more quickly, perhaps allowing you to stay in the threat range for longer. Have you tested with SAM S-200 (SA-5) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCaboose Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Mr. Wilson said: Have you tested with SAM S-200 (SA-5) ? No. Not with the long version at least. I was testing against an SA-11 with snowdrift, and an SA-15. 476th vFG Website, 476th vFG Discord, 476th vFG Pipeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- Sonic - Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I took a flight a few days ago on Lima Kilo server...seem Long ECM pod also for me break lock more quickly and more effectively; two times a couple of MIG-25 have serious trouble to lock me also at 40-60 nm (more or less) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike5560 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I would think the SA-2 would be a good unit test, it operates at a lower band even than the SA-5; E/F/G band vs H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinky.ben Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Mike5560 said: I would think the SA-2 would be a good unit test, it operates at a lower band even than the SA-5; E/F/G band vs H. I haven’t heard of DCS simulating different frequencies for radar. Is this the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 27 minutes ago, Blinky.ben said: I haven’t heard of DCS simulating different frequencies for radar. Is this the case? It doesn't, RADAR operating frequency isn't a thing in DCS (even as purely as a class) and you can treat all RADARs/ECM systems as being on single frequency. Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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