SkateZilla Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 is it also checked in the main options window? Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 13, 2022 ED Team Share Posted October 13, 2022 Posted in another thread, but have a read of this microsoft devblog it may help explain the need for the change https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/demystifying-full-screen-optimizations/ it also has some advice 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodistortion Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) What (if any) are the negatives - if you were to simply enable the use of ALT-ENTER again in the newer OB builds? Are you purposefully blocking/preventing it from working? Edited October 13, 2022 by audiodistortion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livers Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 6 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Posted in another thread, but have a read of this microsoft devblog it may help explain the need for the change https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/demystifying-full-screen-optimizations/ it also has some advice That is nearly a 3 year old blog post - what prompted the DCS change now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 13, 2022 ED Team Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Livers said: That is nearly a 3 year old blog post - what prompted the DCS change now? We had a bug with FPS drop when Alt+ Enter was used, that bug is fixed and alt+ Enter is no longer supported 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodistortion Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 So your fix was to simply prevent/stop ALT-ENTER working? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84-Simba Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, audiodistortion said: So your fix was to simply prevent/stop ALT-ENTER working? Don't bother, I already tried to make them understand why that solution is a step-back but it is a lost cause my friend ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctrach Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) On 10/13/2022 at 4:32 PM, BIGNEWY said: We had a bug with FPS drop when Alt+ Enter was used, that bug is fixed and alt+ Enter is no longer supported Please reconsider this change because it completely broke support for CPU-based streaming. DCS is now effectively running in "Borderless Windowed" which means it does NOT prioritize Windows resources over other processes. As a result, Windows juggles resources between DCS and other processes, resulting in a seriously degraded experience for both the player and viewer. Edited October 26, 2022 by Noctrach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Noctrach said: DCS is now effectively running in "Fullscreen Windowed" which means it does NOT prioritize Windows resources over other processes. As a result, Windows juggles resources between DCS and other processes, resulting in a seriously degraded experience for both the player and viewer. This seems to describe, exactly, the reduced-performance-behavior I'm seeing now. I wonder if all the DCS testing is happening on high-end systems so no one in the 'factory' sees an issue? 1 i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctrach Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Just now, wilbur81 said: This seems to describe, exactly, the reduced-performance-behavior I'm seeing now. I wonder if all the DCS testing is happening on high-end systems so no one in the 'factory' sees an issue? I think nobody on their testing team has additional resource-intensive processes like OBS running, or they simply do not understand the Windows resource allocation differences between Fullscreen Exclusive and Borderless Windowed. Either way this is a MASSIVELY negative change for those of us that do indeed stream the game for their communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 26, 2022 ED Team Share Posted October 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, wilbur81 said: This seems to describe, exactly, the reduced-performance-behavior I'm seeing now. I wonder if all the DCS testing is happening on high-end systems so no one in the 'factory' sees an issue? we have many machines in the team. 2 minutes ago, Noctrach said: I think nobody on their testing team has additional resource-intensive processes like OBS running, or they simply do not understand the Windows resource allocation differences between Fullscreen Exclusive and Borderless Windowed. Either way this is a MASSIVELY negative change for those of us that do indeed stream the game for their communities. I have asked the team about this 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilbur81 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Noctrach said: I think nobody on their testing team has additional resource-intensive processes like OBS running, or they simply do not understand the Windows resource allocation differences between Fullscreen Exclusive and Borderless Windowed. Either way this is a MASSIVELY negative change for those of us that do indeed stream the game for their communities. Fair enough... and, to be fair to them, the average user (probably like myself?) isn't streaming while they play. Regardless, I'd be nice to see a solution for you and the average user as soon as possible. eh..um... VulKan? i7 8700K @ Stock - Win10 64 - 32 RAM - RTX 3080 12gb OC - 55 inch 4k Display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctrach Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: I have asked the team about this Thanks, a solution would be much appreciated 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 26, 2022 ED Team Share Posted October 26, 2022 @Noctrach @wilbur81 can you PM me with your dxdiag thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 26, 2022 ED Team Share Posted October 26, 2022 Hi all, the team have asked if you can try this. It should switch back to the old mode and allow alt + enter add in autoexec.cfg dx11backend = { flipMode = false, } Let us know if it helps with performance 2 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scommander2 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 @BIGNEWY Where is the location of the file "autoexec.cfg"? Thanks. Dell XPS 9730, i9-13900H, DDR5 64GB, Discrete GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080, 1+2TB M.2 SSD, TM HOTAS Warthog/TPR, TKIR5/TrackClipPro, Win 11 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, scommander2 said: @BIGNEWY Where is the location of the file "autoexec.cfg"? Thanks. If memory serves. Saved games. Config\autoexec.cfg Edited October 26, 2022 by silverdevil AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scommander2 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Thanks... I found: I have added: dx11backend = { flipMode = false, } Yes, "Alt+Enter" works again. 2 Dell XPS 9730, i9-13900H, DDR5 64GB, Discrete GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080, 1+2TB M.2 SSD, TM HOTAS Warthog/TPR, TKIR5/TrackClipPro, Win 11 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 When I apply this code to my autoexec the dialog window (briefing) at mission start don't shows. Everything else works. (No change in fps behavior - but I didn't have issues in the first place) "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike68 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Hiob said: When I apply this code to my autoexec the dialog window (briefing) at mission start don't shows. It happened to me also. I have another few entries in my autoexec.cfg, and as it turned out I've accidentally added an extra space in the command line above when I've added the new code. After the deletion of the unnecessary space everything is working fine now. I can confirm my FPS is good again with the newly added code. And the in-game stutters I've got with the 2.7.18.30348 update are gone too. Thanks. Edited October 26, 2022 by Mike68 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Mike68 said: It happened to me also. I have another few entries in my autoexec.cfg, and as it turned out I've accidentally added an extra space in the command line above when I've added the new code. After the deletion of the unnecessary space everything is working fine now. I can confirm my FPS is good again with the newly added code. And the in-game stutters I've got with the 2.7.18.30348 update are gone too. Thanks. Can you post me your autoexec? I have carefully checked for additional blancs but it still only breaks the menu windows and does nothing else.... I usually don't use an autoexec.cfg. Savegames\...\Config\autoexec.cfg is the right place, isn't it? "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scommander2 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) I found an intertesting DCS behavior: 1. I have the DCS screen shows on the external display (DCS resolution is the exact the externall display's resolution, no flipMode = false in autoexec.cfg) 2. the edge of the DCS app widget shows on the my primary screen (I just noticed it), and shut DCS down. 3. after apply "flipMode = false" in autoexec.cfg, launch DCS again with applied "Alt+Enter" The edge of widget is gone, and I am wondering that the now DCS app is running "full-screen". Thanks. Edited October 26, 2022 by scommander2 Dell XPS 9730, i9-13900H, DDR5 64GB, Discrete GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080, 1+2TB M.2 SSD, TM HOTAS Warthog/TPR, TKIR5/TrackClipPro, Win 11 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 hours ago, scommander2 said: I found an intertesting DCS behavior: 1. I have the DCS screen shows on the external display (DCS resolution is the exact the externall display's resolution, no flipMode = false in autoexec.cfg) 2. the edge of the DCS app widget shows on the my primary screen (I just noticed it), and shut DCS down. 3. after apply "flipMode = false" in autoexec.cfg, launch DCS again with applied "Alt+Enter" The edge of widget is gone, and I am wondering that the now DCS app is running "full-screen". Thanks. Quote It should switch back to the old mode and allow alt + enter implied that whatever ALT-ENT did before the change, the lines in autoexec.cfg allows the same thing. so yes. 5 hours ago, Hiob said: When I apply this code to my autoexec the dialog window (briefing) at mission start don't shows. Everything else works. (No change in fps behavior - but I didn't have issues in the first place) hello hiob. i believe this is what you should have. excluding the other lines. null 2 1 AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodistortion Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 autoexec works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctrach Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 On 10/26/2022 at 5:00 PM, BIGNEWY said: Hi all, the team have asked if you can try this. It should switch back to the old mode and allow alt + enter add in autoexec.cfg dx11backend = { flipMode = false, } Let us know if it helps with performance This helps immensely, not dropping any frames anymore. Thanks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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