BuzzU Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Ok, this will be a strange question i'm sure has never been asked before. I have a friend who has interest in getting into DCS. I showed it to him on my system and he just ordered a gaming system. He'll probably go with a Warthog because it's what i'm using right now and he liked it. That a little background. Now for the opinions needed. He has always been a Hornet fam as he was in the Navy. He loves the one in DCS and won't fly anything else. Now for the hard part that i'm struggling to answer for him. He just wants to do A/G. He has zero interest in doing any A/A or at least the minimum he can get away with. I tried to talk him into the Hog but he's not going for it. What should I tell him? How can he concentrate on A/G and do as little A/A as possible? He said "can't I just rum away?" I told him the Viper would be better at that but he's not going for it. He wants to land on a carrier and won't consider an AF plane anyway. What can I tell him? Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusedspine33 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Tell him to enjoy the game anyway he wants to! In time he will likely branch into other aircraft and activities. Thanks for introducing a new player into our world. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Maybe a better way to ask the question. How can he concentrate on A/G without being killed by enemy fighters? Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARLAN_ Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 F/A-18C can do A/G all day if that's what he wants to do. You only need A/A depending on the mission, if the mission calls for it, he could find get an escort, AI or human, but that would be the same issue you'd have in an A10 1 Virtual CVW-8 - The mission of Virtual Carrier Air Wing EIGHT is to provide its members with an organization committed to presenting an authentic representation of U.S. Navy Carrier Air Wing operations in training and combat environments based on the real world experience of its real fighter pilots, air intercept controllers, airbosses, and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 That's a thought. I don't normally think of a fighter escorting another fighter but I know it's done. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Most of my experience is in the other Viper sim. No matter what the mission we always get in an A/A fight. However, a Hornet isn't a Viper. I could play online with him and escort him in the Viper or another Hornet. He'd get a kick out of that. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge55 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) Once he’s ready for some missions use the Liberation campaign generator. Just plan an A/G mission and add an escort flight of AI. Works a treat, it’s basically how I like to fly the Hornet as well, A/G primarily. Great to hear about others joining the flight sim world. just saw your last post. The Liberation campaign is similar to the “other” sim for mission making. Just add an escort flight. Edited February 2, 2022 by Sarge55 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 10700K OC 5.1GHZ / 500GB SSD & 1TB M:2 & 4TB HDD / MSI Gaming MB / GTX 1080 / 32GB RAM / Win 10 / TrackIR 4 Pro / CH Pedals / TM Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sarge55 said: Once he’s ready for some missions use the Liberation campaign generator. Just plan an A/G mission and add an escort flight of AI. Works a treat, it’s basically how I like to fly the Hornet as well, A/G primarily. Great to hear about others joining the flight sim world. just saw your last post. The Liberation campaign is similar to the “other” sim for mission making. Just add an escort flight. That's a plan. Thanks for the feedback guys. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foka Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I don't understand the question. He can make missions in ME the way he likes - he doesn't like A/A? - Don't put enemy fighters in the mission. If he wants to play on open servers - there's only one way - monitor SA and run away every time he sees red plane in a 40 nm range. If he's playing campaigns - he probably can't avoid A/A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Campaigns is what I had in mind when I started this thread. However, the dynamic campaign has changed it. Now, we can make it the way he likes it. At first I was thinking when he got a radar blip to sling a couple of missiles and make a beeline for the boat. No need for that with the DC. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulkbust44 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 In that case the Hornet is the best for what he wants to do. Best A/G platform overall (note I didn't say CAS)and you have a ton of Situational Awareness to where you can easily steer away from threats. Worst thing you could do for him is force him into the Viper... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) No, I wouldn't do that after seeing how bad he wants the Hornet. After more conversation it seems when he was in the Navy he wanted to be a Hornet pilot but never made a good attempt to do it. He's been kicking his butt since then. When I showed him DCS and he saw the Hornet his eyes got big as saucers. His dream has come true to be a Hornet pilot. Even if it is virtually. He couldn't order everything he needs fast enough. I got a kick out of seeing his joy. He kept saying we can fly together with Hornets. I guess i'll be flying the Hornet. I'll do A/G with him and try to keep any fighters off him that come snooping around. In time maybe I can talk him into doing some A/A. Edited February 2, 2022 by BuzzU Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob10 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 There are a quite a few Hornet campaigns that are focused pretty heavily on A-G (albeit not zero, but minimal A-A). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalvole Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, BuzzU said: No, I wouldn't do that after seeing how bad he wants the Hornet. After more conversation it seems when he was in the Navy he wanted to be a Hornet pilot but never made a good attempt to do it. He's been kicking his butt since then. When I showed him DCS and he saw the Hornet his eyes got big as saucers. His dream has come true to be a Hornet pilot. Even if it is virtually. He couldn't order everything he needs fast enough. I got a kick out of seeing his joy. He kept saying we can fly together with Hornets. I guess i'll be flying the Hornet. I'll do A/G with him and try to keep any fighters off him that come snooping around. In time maybe I can talk him into doing some A/A. This is a great story! How cool for him to find something that goes some way to realising an unfulfilled dream. I suppose that is the magic of DCS for so many of us. But few of us got that close to the jets we wanted to fly. I bet he gets into AA stuff eventually, coming from the A10C to the Hornet I had no interest in AA. Well more like I was intimidated by it, but it doesn’t take too long till you realise you’re only allowing yourself 50% of the fun on offer. I hope you both have a great time Ps. Hornet all day long. It’s a Swiss Army knife capable of supersonic flight Edited February 3, 2022 by Digitalvole 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=52d= Skip Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 15 hours ago, BuzzU said: Most of my experience is in the other Viper sim. No matter what the mission we always get in an A/A fight. I´ve flown entire campaigns in that Sim without firing a single A/A Missile. Thus, everything is possible with some planning and good SA and if your buddy is doing A/G only he is actually closer to RL than most other DCS players. And yes, running away is a perfectly fine tactic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shimmergloom667 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Build your own missions, leave out AA threats, done. i7 - 9700K | 32 GB DDR4 3200 | RTX 2080 | VKB Gunfighter Mk II /w MCG Pro | Virpil T-50CM2 Throttle | TrackIR 5 | VKB Mk. IV AJS-37 | A/V-8B | A-10C | F-14A/B | F-16C | F-18C | F-86F | FC3 | JF-17 | Ka-50 | L-39 | Mi-8 | MiG-15bis | MiG-19 | MiG-21bis | M2000-C | P-51D | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | UH-1H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) The hornet is perfectly capable of doing just A2G without any escort. If you are in a very contested airspace the hornet has standoff weapons like the AGM84E slammer that can be launched form almost 80nm away and let you turn back to later use that nasty datalink pod to guide it to the target. You could also launch harms at air defenses from 60nm, lob JDAM from 30nm... all of that while being totally silent just watching the air battle in the datalink and going in the moment you see a hole in the enemy CAP. So basically, the hornet its still totally capable of just A2G without almost no A2A involved (or just the very basic lob a amraan 40 nm away to keep the enemy fighter busy for a while). Edited February 3, 2022 by falcon_120 grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Link to the Liberation campaign generator please. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steel Jaw said: Link to the Liberation campaign generator please. Here you go. https://github.com/dcs-liberation/dcs_liberation/releases Edited February 3, 2022 by BuzzU 1 Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 5 hours ago, =52d= Skip said: I´ve flown entire campaigns in that Sim without firing a single A/A Missile. Thus, everything is possible with some planning and good SA and if your buddy is doing A/G only he is actually closer to RL than most other DCS players. And yes, running away is a perfectly fine tactic. True, because the escorts take out the enemy planes. However, when they pop up on the radar I start to go after them. Then they disappear when the escorts kill them. Maybe I just like A/A too much and never miss an opportunity to get in a fight. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 Thanks for the posts guys. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, falcon_120 said: The hornet is perfectly capable of doing just A2G without any escort. If you are in a very contested airspace the hornet has standoff weapons like the AGM84E slammer that can be launched form almost 80nm away and let you turn back to later use that nasty datalink pod to guide it to the target. You could also launch harms at air defenses from 60nm, lob JDAM from 30nm... all of that while being totally silent just watching the air battle in the datalink and going in the moment you see a hole in the enemy CAP. So basically, the hornet its still totally capable of just A2G without almost no A2A involved (or just the very basic lob a amraan 40 nm away to keep the enemy fighter busy for a while). Thanks. I haven't got into the Slammer yet. Does it work like it should? Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmp Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 The included mini-campaign and the single missions include some good examples of fairly complex, A-G focused missions for the Hornet. Typically you're given ground attack or SEAD duties as part of a larger strike package with capable escorts. Most of the time the Eagles and Tomcats splash any bandit before he gets close. You can focus on attacking ground targets without the mission feeling too sterile or safe. If that's too much for your friend, you could always downgrade the MiG-29s to MiG-23s (etc.), or get rid of them altogether in the editor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, lmp said: The included mini-campaign and the single missions include some good examples of fairly complex, A-G focused missions for the Hornet. Typically you're given ground attack or SEAD duties as part of a larger strike package with capable escorts. Most of the time the Eagles and Tomcats splash any bandit before he gets close. You can focus on attacking ground targets without the mission feeling too sterile or safe. If that's too much for your friend, you could always downgrade the MiG-29s to MiG-23s (etc.), or get rid of them altogether in the editor. Thanks. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfxcasey Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) On 2/2/2022 at 9:10 AM, BuzzU said: Ok, this will be a strange question i'm sure has never been asked before. I have a friend who has interest in getting into DCS. I showed it to him on my system and he just ordered a gaming system. He'll probably go with a Warthog because it's what i'm using right now and he liked it. That a little background. Now for the opinions needed. He has always been a Hornet fam as he was in the Navy. He loves the one in DCS and won't fly anything else. Now for the hard part that i'm struggling to answer for him. He just wants to do A/G. He has zero interest in doing any A/A or at least the minimum he can get away with. I tried to talk him into the Hog but he's not going for it. What should I tell him? How can he concentrate on A/G and do as little A/A as possible? He said "can't I just rum away?" I told him the Viper would be better at that but he's not going for it. He wants to land on a carrier and won't consider an AF plane anyway. What can I tell him? My question would be why are you trying to dissuade him from the Hornet? The Hornet, in my personal opinion, is like a combination of the Hog and the Viper with carrier capability. It's not the fastest, but it's excellent ground attack and can definitely handle it's own in BVR engagement and dogfights if the need arises. With the SLAM-ER you can set it's flight path to steer it around AA defenses and then take control to find targets of opportunity prior to impact from a huge distance. Overall, it's and excellent aircraft that provides a unique sim experience and will only be getting better as features are added. With the Hog, you're extremely limited as to the missions you can fly. Also, launching from, and landing back at the supercarrier after a successful mission is like nothing else. Oh and the Hornet, in the hands of a capable pilot, can take a Viper and anything else in a dogfight, it's by no means a slouch in the A/A role. Edited February 5, 2022 by rfxcasey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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