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Ok, this will be a strange question i'm sure has never been asked before. I have a friend who has interest in getting into DCS. I showed it to him on my system and he just ordered a gaming system. He'll probably go with a Warthog because it's what i'm using right now and he liked it.

That a little background. Now for the opinions needed. He has always been a Hornet fam as he was in the Navy. He loves the one in DCS and won't fly anything else. Now for the hard part that i'm struggling to answer for him. He just wants to do A/G. He has zero interest in doing any A/A or at least the minimum he can get away with. I tried to talk him into the Hog but he's not going for it.

What should I tell him? How can he concentrate on A/G and do as little A/A as possible? He said "can't I just rum away?" I told him the Viper would be better at that but he's not going for it. He wants to land on a carrier and won't consider an AF plane anyway.

What can I tell him?

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F/A-18C can do A/G all day if that's what he wants to do. You only need A/A depending on the mission, if the mission calls for it, he could find get an escort, AI or human, but that would be the same issue you'd have in an A10

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Most of my experience is in the other Viper sim. No matter what the mission we always get in an A/A fight.

However, a Hornet isn't a Viper.

I could play online with him and escort him in the Viper or another Hornet. He'd get a kick out of that.

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Once he’s ready for some missions use the Liberation campaign generator. Just plan an A/G mission and add an escort flight of AI.

Works a treat, it’s basically how I like to fly the Hornet as well, A/G primarily. 
 

Great to hear about others joining the flight sim world. 
 

just saw your last post. The Liberation campaign is similar to the “other” sim for mission making. Just add an escort flight. 


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3 minutes ago, Sarge55 said:

Once he’s ready for some missions use the Liberation campaign generator. Just plan an A/G mission and add an escort flight of AI.

Works a treat, it’s basically how I like to fly the Hornet as well, A/G primarily. 
 

Great to hear about others joining the flight sim world. 
 

just saw your last post. The Liberation campaign is similar to the “other” sim for mission making. Just add an escort flight. 

 

That's a plan. 

Thanks for the feedback guys.

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I don't understand the question.
He can make missions in ME the way he likes - he doesn't like A/A? - Don't put enemy fighters in the mission.
If he wants to play on open servers - there's only one way - monitor SA and run away every time he sees red plane in a 40 nm range.

If he's playing campaigns - he probably can't avoid A/A.

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Campaigns is what I had in mind when I started this thread. However, the dynamic campaign has changed it. Now, we can make it the way he likes it.

At first I was thinking when he got a radar blip to sling a couple of missiles and make a beeline for the boat. No need for that with the DC.

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No, I wouldn't do that after seeing how bad he wants the Hornet. After more conversation it seems when he was in the Navy he wanted to be a Hornet pilot but never made a good attempt to do it. He's been kicking his butt since then. When I showed him DCS and he saw the Hornet his eyes got big as saucers. His dream has come true to be a Hornet pilot. Even if it is virtually.

He couldn't order everything he needs fast enough. I got a kick out of seeing his joy. He kept saying we can fly together with Hornets. I guess i'll be flying the Hornet. I'll do A/G with him and try to keep any fighters off him that come snooping around. In time maybe I can talk him into doing some A/A.


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9 hours ago, BuzzU said:

No, I wouldn't do that after seeing how bad he wants the Hornet. After more conversation it seems when he was in the Navy he wanted to be a Hornet pilot but never made a good attempt to do it. He's been kicking his butt since then. When I showed him DCS and he saw the Hornet his eyes got big as saucers. His dream has come true to be a Hornet pilot. Even if it is virtually.

He couldn't order everything he needs fast enough. I got a kick out of seeing his joy. He kept saying we can fly together with Hornets. I guess i'll be flying the Hornet. I'll do A/G with him and try to keep any fighters off him that come snooping around. In time maybe I can talk him into doing some A/A.

 

This is a great story! How cool for him to find something that goes some way to realising an unfulfilled dream. I suppose that is the magic of DCS for so many of us. But few of us got that close to the jets we wanted to fly.

I bet he gets into AA stuff eventually, coming from the A10C to the Hornet I had no interest in AA. Well more like I was intimidated by it, but it doesn’t take too long till you realise you’re  only allowing yourself 50% of the fun on offer.

I hope you both have a great time 😄

Ps. Hornet all day long. It’s a Swiss Army knife capable of supersonic flight 😀


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15 hours ago, BuzzU said:

Most of my experience is in the other Viper sim. No matter what the mission we always get in an A/A fight.

I´ve flown entire campaigns in that Sim without firing a single A/A Missile.

Thus, everything is possible with some planning and good SA and if your buddy is doing A/G only he is actually closer to RL than most other DCS players. And yes, running away is a perfectly fine tactic.

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Build your own missions, leave out AA threats, done.

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The hornet is perfectly capable of doing just A2G without any escort. If you are in a very contested airspace the hornet has standoff weapons like the AGM84E slammer that can be launched form almost 80nm away and let you turn back to later use that nasty datalink pod to guide it to the target. 

You could also launch harms at air defenses from 60nm, lob JDAM from 30nm... all of that while being totally silent just watching the air battle in the datalink and going in the moment you see a hole in the enemy CAP. So basically, the hornet its still totally capable of just A2G without almost no A2A involved (or just the very basic lob a amraan 40 nm away to keep the enemy fighter busy for a while).


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5 hours ago, =52d= Skip said:

I´ve flown entire campaigns in that Sim without firing a single A/A Missile.

Thus, everything is possible with some planning and good SA and if your buddy is doing A/G only he is actually closer to RL than most other DCS players. And yes, running away is a perfectly fine tactic.

True, because the escorts take out the enemy planes. However, when they pop up on the radar I start to go after them. Then they disappear when the escorts kill them.

Maybe I just like A/A too much and never miss an opportunity to get in a fight.

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3 hours ago, falcon_120 said:

The hornet is perfectly capable of doing just A2G without any escort. If you are in a very contested airspace the hornet has standoff weapons like the AGM84E slammer that can be launched form almost 80nm away and let you turn back to later use that nasty datalink pod to guide it to the target. 

You could also launch harms at air defenses from 60nm, lob JDAM from 30nm... all of that while being totally silent just watching the air battle in the datalink and going in the moment you see a hole in the enemy CAP. So basically, the hornet its still totally capable of just A2G without almost no A2A involved (or just the very basic lob a amraan 40 nm away to keep the enemy fighter busy for a while).

 

Thanks. I haven't got into the Slammer yet. Does it work like it should?

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The included mini-campaign and the single missions include some good examples of fairly complex, A-G focused missions for the Hornet. Typically you're given ground attack or SEAD duties as part of a larger strike package with capable escorts. Most of the time the Eagles and Tomcats splash any bandit before he gets close. You can focus on attacking ground targets without the mission feeling too sterile or safe. If that's too much for your friend, you could always downgrade the MiG-29s to MiG-23s (etc.), or get rid of them altogether in the editor.

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30 minutes ago, lmp said:

The included mini-campaign and the single missions include some good examples of fairly complex, A-G focused missions for the Hornet. Typically you're given ground attack or SEAD duties as part of a larger strike package with capable escorts. Most of the time the Eagles and Tomcats splash any bandit before he gets close. You can focus on attacking ground targets without the mission feeling too sterile or safe. If that's too much for your friend, you could always downgrade the MiG-29s to MiG-23s (etc.), or get rid of them altogether in the editor.

Thanks.

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On 2/2/2022 at 9:10 AM, BuzzU said:

Ok, this will be a strange question i'm sure has never been asked before. I have a friend who has interest in getting into DCS. I showed it to him on my system and he just ordered a gaming system. He'll probably go with a Warthog because it's what i'm using right now and he liked it.

That a little background. Now for the opinions needed. He has always been a Hornet fam as he was in the Navy. He loves the one in DCS and won't fly anything else. Now for the hard part that i'm struggling to answer for him. He just wants to do A/G. He has zero interest in doing any A/A or at least the minimum he can get away with. I tried to talk him into the Hog but he's not going for it.

What should I tell him? How can he concentrate on A/G and do as little A/A as possible? He said "can't I just rum away?" I told him the Viper would be better at that but he's not going for it. He wants to land on a carrier and won't consider an AF plane anyway.

What can I tell him?

My question would be why are you trying to dissuade him from the Hornet? The Hornet, in my personal opinion, is like a combination of the Hog and the Viper with carrier capability. It's not the fastest, but it's excellent ground attack and can definitely handle it's own in BVR engagement and dogfights if the need arises. With the SLAM-ER you can set it's flight path to steer it around AA defenses and then take control to find targets of opportunity prior to impact from a huge distance. Overall, it's and excellent aircraft that provides a unique sim experience and will only be getting better as features are added. With the Hog, you're extremely limited as to the missions you can fly. Also, launching from, and landing back at the supercarrier after a successful mission is like nothing else. Oh and the Hornet, in the hands of a capable pilot, can take a Viper and anything else in a dogfight, it's by no means a slouch in the A/A role.


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