White Phoenix to match the F14A liveries?

[Hawkeye91]

Just curious if this is planned at some point.

[LanceCriminal86]

The in-flight missiles are on the ED side as I understand. You can skin a missile within a livery to be white but on launch, it reverts to the world/environment skin within ED's side of the sim.

Apparently ED had started to work a framework in for weapon liveries as implemented on some of the bombs with Navy ablative coatings, but it would require that to be done on the ED side as far as I know.

Also from there, how do you control when the missiles change color? It's not based on variant, it should be based on dates. Old Tomcats were flying well into the 90s with gray Phoenix, and during the changeover periods in the late 80s mixes were seen of gray and white. If ED can have a livery display based on the mission editor date that would be ideal.

[LanceCriminal86]

Just now, Gypsy 1-1 said:

The navy style can already be enabled with a .lua config.  And again, all HB or ED would need to do it create a seperate entity for the 54A like we have with the 9L and 9M. And arguably the majority of the 54A's lifetime was seen as a high viz. white one - especially once you pull in the early A's and IRIAF model.

The bottom line is in reality they were based on date. Block 95s and higher were still around into the late 90s, there were As without the ECM upgrades introduced at the end of Block 110 on OEF/OIF cruises.

And those same "early" jets obviously were flying around in the Gulf War with the gray missiles, the 2nd Sidra incident was during the transitional period and it looks like their Sparrows were already gray at the time.

I'd rather push for a more accurate and logical way to manage it than arbitrarily lock what you see as "early" jets to having a specific missile.

[DoorMouse]

4 hours ago, Gypsy 1-1 said:

Been asking for this since day one and have been told by Cobra last year that it is planned and coming. I guess not a high priority for them right now. Should be at least a thing for the early A's and IRIAF cat.

yeah all the missiles in game say AIM54C 

At least have an A model  Not that anyone can see it when they slam into you 

[RaisedByWolves]

What is the deal with the TCS on that tomcat? 

[Swordsman422]

1 hour ago, RaisedByWolves said:

What is the deal with the TCS on that tomcat? 

That's not a TCS. It's an early IRST system. It was used in the very early Tomcat days, found to be not worth the weight or drag, and abandoned in favor of just the ALQ receiver by itself before the TCS as we know it was introduced in the early 1980s.

You can actually tell from the length of the gun blister that this F-14 is a late test model or VERY early production model, probably a 60GR or 65GR.

Edited February 5, 2022 by Swordsman422

[near_blind]

That's not a TCS, it's an IRST. It could, on a sunny day, positively detect the sun (about 60% of the time). 

[LanceCriminal86]

3 hours ago, Swordsman422 said:

That's not a TCS. It's an early IRST system. It was used in the very early Tomcat days, found to be not worth the weight or drag, and abandoned in favor of just the ALQ receiver by itself before the TCS as we know it was introduced in the early 1980s.

You can actually tell from the length of the gun blister that this F-14 is a late test model or VERY early production model, probably a 60GR or 65GR.

 

 

Prototype, 7983 on the tail so it's 157983. 60 started with 158612.

 

If the AIM-54As didn't get repainted gray then that might simplify the situation. With a separate AIM-54A model ED could add a switch in the LUA, ideally one that could be activated within the F-14 livery itself would work best. And the existing 54C can also be given a white skin alternate as there were some around.

[Southernbear]

already have it. Load up the F-14A and pick any of the VF-1 Wolfpack skins and the AIM-54s will be painted white like the early 70s ones were. 

[LanceCriminal86]

5 hours ago, Southernbear said:

already have it. Load up the F-14A and pick any of the VF-1 Wolfpack skins and the AIM-54s will be painted white like the early 70s ones were. 

They don't stay that way when fired. The ultimate solution is additional model/variant on ED's core side with changing livery.

If they never converted 54As to be white then it might all be moot and we just need white As.