Archaic Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Had this twice tonight. When I lock something up in TWS mode, it zeros that angle as my center for elevation. Afterwards I have to use full input to have it level. If I switch to RWS it's fine. 1 i7 - 9700k | EVGA 1080Ti | 32 DDR4 RAM | 750w PS | TM Warthog HOTAS/X-55 | Track IR 5 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaic Posted February 17, 2022 Author Share Posted February 17, 2022 To clarify, when I unlock the target, the angle it was at during the lock becomes the new zeroed angle on my axis. If that makes sense. 1 i7 - 9700k | EVGA 1080Ti | 32 DDR4 RAM | 750w PS | TM Warthog HOTAS/X-55 | Track IR 5 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chibawang Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Can confirm, the f16 radar is a complete mess. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) This also happens in RWS/DTT. Very annoying indeed. I found a workaround though: I find a target co-altitude, go STT on it, and then break the lock. That re-centres the antenna the way it is supposed to. *edit* This thread should probably have been posted in the appropriate sub-forum: https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/333-bugs/ Edited February 27, 2022 by Raven (Elysian Angel) 1 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCPanda Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 3:58 AM, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: This also happens in RWS/DTT. Very annoying indeed. I found a workaround though: I find a target co-altitude, go STT on it, and then break the lock. That re-centres the antenna the way it is supposed to. *edit* This thread should probably have been posted in the appropriate sub-forum: https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/333-bugs/ My workaround is just slew the radar cursor to the side of the screen, which will change it scan area but it also recenters the elevation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconzx Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Steps to reproduce: -Set TWS. -Find a target, wich is a lot lower than you (that's very important!!). I just bumped 10/15 angels more than a 15/10miles bogey. -Lower the antenna and bug it in TWS. -Move the elevation axis DOWN and leave it there ( just the physical axis, it will not be affecting the symbology because the radar is scanning the bugged's elevation) -TMS down to unlock the target. -Now try to use the elevation, and tah dah, It's not centered anymore. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Quote Fixed: Radar elevation becomes stuck. Can you please confirm the issue is fixed on your end in today's OB? 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMD Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) On 6/8/2022 at 7:20 PM, Flappie said: Can you please confirm the issue is fixed on your end in today's OB? I can confirm this is still happening, exactly the same as it was before the last OB patch, and has been happening for a while now. way to reset is to open radar azimuth to full. I think it happens to (or gets noticed only by) people that have the antenna elevation mapped to an axis Edited June 16, 2022 by BMD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCPanda Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) On 6/9/2022 at 2:20 AM, Flappie said: Can you please confirm the issue is fixed on your end in today's OB? On 6/17/2022 at 4:00 AM, BMD said: I can confirm this is still happening, exactly the same as it was before the last OB patch, and has been happening for a while now. way to reset is to open radar azimuth to full. I think it happens to (or gets noticed only by) people that have the antenna elevation mapped to an axis Still happening on my end. It has been like this for months. This issue take places for RWS/DTT and TWS. I use the Winwing F-16 throttle, which is the replica of the real F-16 throttle. The ANT ELEV rotary dial on my throttle is an absolute axis with a center detent (but not spring loaded like the Hornet throttle), so basically it works the same as the real F-16 ANT ELEV rotary dial. I binded my rotary dial to the radar elevation axis and set it as a slider. No deadzones, curves or anything else. BTW, I also tried my old TM TWCS throttle using the rotary dial on the top left of the throttle. Still the same. Definitely not a hardware issue but a game bug. Edited June 21, 2022 by SCPanda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconzx Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) On 6/8/2022 at 8:20 PM, Flappie said: Can you please confirm the issue is fixed on your end in today's OB? The stuck issue maybe is fixed, but not the re-zeroing/centering on a wrong absolute physical axis value. (I described the re-centering antenna "way to reproduce" in this thread) It continues to happen. When you reproduce with the described steps(or just loosing the target in a real combat situation), the physical axis center doesn't match the FCR gimbal center, and the physical axis max gimbal doesn't match the FCR elevation max gimbals. Edited June 21, 2022 by falconzx 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCPanda Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, falconzx said: The stuck issue maybe is fixed, but not the re-zeroing/centering on a wrong absolute physical axis value. (I described the re-centering antenna "way to reproduce" in this thread) It continues to happen. When you reproduce with the described steps(or just loosing the target in a real combat situation), the physical axis center doesn't match the FCR gimbal center, and the physical axis gimbal doesn't match the FCR elevation gimbals. Nice description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMD Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 7:18 AM, foxit said: in real time (you should be able to find this text on line). I hope this will enlighten you on the difficulties encountered in reproducing each of the following parameters and adapting their effects to a simulator as n While I'm not qualified to comment on radar performance as it relates to the real plane, I can definitely say the underlying game code for the radar in the 16 is still buggy (even after latest fixes) and does things like not give you a firing solution in TWS for many seconds after bugging a target (something I assume is only possible if a track is solid enough for the computer to mark it as such), especially on first target lock on a sortie even though the system track is clearly very well defined. RWS seems to have less range available as well to lock a target. I also think that the 22-26nm distance at which the radar becomes useable for small targets, even when painting a bigger target like a tomcat or f15 or flanker up against clear sky, is a bit short of the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 This thread is about a single radar issue. Please stick to the point. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) Track provided. Behavior is that after pilot-initiated undesignate in TWS (also RWS) the antenna remains at the elevation commanded by TWS when target was bugged. Observations: If antenna elevation knob is adjusted while TWS is automatically setting antenna, upon undesignation antenna immediately returns to position according to elevation knob. If antenna elevation knob is not adjusted while TWS is automatically setting antenna, upon undesignation antenna elevation remains at the contact's last value. If after condition #2 a sufficient number of TMS down presses will cause antenna to resume elevation according to knob position. I haven't checked what happens on non-pilot-commanded loss of target. I feel it's probably not right that there's a difference in unlock behavior if/if not knob was moved during track. For uncommanded loss of track I'm sure radar maintains antenna elevation as long as knob isn't moved to help re acquisition. But that could be different for TMS down commanded unlock. F16 TWS after undesignate antenna elevation.trk Edited June 26, 2022 by Frederf 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCPanda Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 10:13 AM, Frederf said: Track provided. Behavior is that after pilot-initiated undesignate in TWS (also RWS) the antenna remains at the elevation commanded by TWS when target was bugged. Observations: If antenna elevation knob is adjusted while TWS is automatically setting antenna, upon undesignation antenna immediately returns to position according to elevation knob. If antenna elevation knob is not adjusted while TWS is automatically setting antenna, upon undesignation antenna elevation remains at the contact's last value. If after condition #2 a sufficient number of TMS down presses will cause antenna to resume elevation according to knob position. I haven't checked what happens on non-pilot-commanded loss of target. I feel it's probably not right that there's a difference in unlock behavior if/if not knob was moved during track. For uncommanded loss of track I'm sure radar maintains antenna elevation as long as knob isn't moved to help re acquisition. But that could be different for TMS down commanded unlock. F16 TWS after undesignate antenna elevation.trk 34.8 kB · 3 downloads Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) What about this issue, Antenna elevation goes automatically to max down position, I try to go manually back up, and again goes automatically back max down. This happens very rarely but it does, specially on a closer range, when I have to slew the acquisition cursor quite quicky. f16_FCR_issue.trk Edited June 30, 2022 by skywalker22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskyV Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Glad someone finally captured this happening, it’s almost like the radar forgets the default elevation for the given bar scan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 @BIGNEWY I posted a trackfile + video. So you guys can check it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 4, 2022 ED Team Share Posted July 4, 2022 I am unable to reproduce I have asked others to try also thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 55 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: I am unable to reproduce I have asked others to try also thanks This issue happens very rarely, I might be guessing, but I think I have encountered it only while flying online, lets say on GS server. You might try there, where there is a lot of other people. Just a hint. ps: And try coming very close to the bandit(s) which are way lower or higher then you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconzx Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) Quote This issue happens very rarely this is not correct! The absolute axis wrong recentering happens EVERY single time you do the steps to reproduce. On 3/7/2022 at 9:10 AM, falconzx said: Steps to reproduce: -Set TWS.(or RWS) -Find a target, wich is a lot lower(or higher) than you (that's very important!!). I just bumped 10/15 angels more than a 15/10miles bogey. -Lower the antenna and bug it in TWS.(or RWS) -Move the elevation axis DOWN and leave it there ( just the physical axis, it will not be affecting the symbology because the radar is scanning the bugged's elevation) not necessary -TMS down to unlock the target. -Now try to use the elevation, and tah dah, It's not centered anymore. and gimbals +60 -60 are not respected. Quote When you reproduce with the described steps(or just loosing the target in a real combat situation), the physical axis center doesn't match the FCR gimbal center, and the physical axis max gimbal doesn't match the FCR elevation max gimbals. If @BIGNEWY can't reproduce is because maybe he doesn't have a device with an absolute axis to map the ant elev knob. Edited July 4, 2022 by falconzx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, falconzx said: this is not correct! The absolute axis wrong recentering happens EVERY single time you do the steps to reproduce. Oh, sorry, didn`t know, it can be so easily reproduced. I did it in my 1st attempt I was only experiencing that while online. @BIGNEWYoffline, set yourself on 30k AI on 6k head-on, and try to lock him up asap. For the 1st time when you will put him as a track target, those 2 up and down numbers will become instantly red and way bellow the ground zero level. All next locks seems to work fine, but not the 1st one. Check my track. f16_FCR_issue_2.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Since @BIGNEWY and I don't seem to be able to reproduce this issue, I made a short clip using curent Open Beta. Antenna elevation was bound to a physical axis. Can you see the issue happen in my video? If so, when? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHOGX5 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Flappie said: Since @BIGNEWY and I don't seem to be able to reproduce this issue, I made a short clip using curent Open Beta. Antenna elevation was bound to a physical axis. Can you see the issue happen in my video? If so, when? You see at 0:16 how the radar elevation indicator on the left side of the FCR moves all the way up and then all the way down when you move your physical axis all the way up and all the way down? Compare that to after 0:57 when you drop your TWS lock and the elevation indicator only moves halfway up the display since the radar has recentered at the location your physical axis was at when you dropped the lock. 1 -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 0:18 there is a sudden jump from 38/15 to -17/-45 (upper/lower altitiude in feet). Same happened at 1:00, from 6/-5 to -25/-63. But the most noticeable is at 1:35, when you put your system target back to track target, the ACQ altitude numbers jumped from 6/-5 to -3/-15. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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