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Can't seem to find this file in the release. Can somebody point me to it?

 

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13 minutes ago, Caffeine_High said:

Can't seem to find this file in the release. Can somebody point me to it?

 

You don't need it, the latest SRS version supports the UH-60L with no need for additional script.

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Well I found a point of difficulty for me in UH-60L. Slope landing and holding steady on slope for at least 30 seconds. Have a hard time doing it. Meaning I have yet to do it. Where landing on slope then  holding helicopter steady on one front gear and tail wheel, with opposite side gear hanging in air.  What happens to me is that I get into dynamic roll, usually into the slope side rotor, but sometime in outer slope side. It begins to dynamically roll, pivoting on gear. and opposite cyclic does not arrest dynamic roll. Also at times, dynamic roll is initiated by pedal input . Where centering the pedals and opposite cyclic does not arrest dynamic roll.

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So pulling a Cobra in UH-60L is death. At 60 knots fwd speed, zero collective while pulling cyclic back to stand the helicopter on its tail. Then a quick cyclic push fwd, to tip the nose fwd. About 1/2 half way between vertical and nose horizontal, apply collective. Either it works, or Blackhawk enter severe VRS, or nose up is not arrested and helicopter nose goes to 160 AOA, nearly flipping UH-60 on its back. It then stops responding to controls, and impacts the ground in that weird attitude. 

What can I say, I trying to 'Hollywood' fly the Blackhawk.

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vor 19 Minuten schrieb DmitriKozlowsky:

So pulling a Cobra in UH-60L is death. At 60 knots fwd speed, zero collective while pulling cyclic back to stand the helicopter on its tail. Then a quick cyclic push fwd, to tip the nose fwd. About 1/2 half way between vertical and nose horizontal, apply collective. Either it works, or Blackhawk enter severe VRS, or nose up is not arrested and helicopter nose goes to 160 AOA, nearly flipping UH-60 on its back. It then stops responding to controls, and impacts the ground in that weird attitude. 

What can I say, I trying to 'Hollywood' fly the Blackhawk.

Not surprising, considering it's explicitly mentioned as something NOT to do in the restricted/prohibited maneuvers section, of the real world manual... 

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I was reading account of rescue of Cpt. Scott Grady, USAF in 1995.  His F-16 ate an SA-6 over Bosnia or Serbia, and he ejected. Anyhow the rescue ship, a Marine MH-53E, piloted by a Marine Colonel. At LZ, after two escorting AH-1W established a perimeter, pilot brought the huge helicopter to hover from fwd flight by standing the MH-53 on its tail then bringing it to zero speed hover prior to touching down.

I was trying to see how that maneuver would work in UH-60L. Keep in mind that RW MH-60 has uprated engines and less restrictive control laws for its FCS over UH-60L/M.

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I'm  sure that's how it was written, but I very much doubt that IRL the MH-53 "ACTUALLY" pitched up to 90 degrees nose totally vertical. I'm not even totally sure it could do it in airshow config, but  in operational configuaration? Unlikely, with 2/3 fuel remaining, 3 machineguns and ammo, Marine rifllemen, and an exttreme need to "not crash"!  I think what's more likely is the pilot, asked by a civie who knows nothing about aircraft or the military, litterally nothing, probably wanted to describe in simple terms that he pulled an   unusual maneuver to get things done, and exagerated for effect.  

Maybe he wasn't even intentionally exagerating, maybe in his mind that's how he remembers it,  but I doubt very much he pitched  more than say 50 or 60 degrees... at some point he probably saw just skies and watched his airspeed and vertical rate and decided "ok  now time to recover NOW!!!". And in a giant helo like that, it really would be an extreme maneuver!

 

 

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I find slope landing in UH-60 most difficult of DCS: Helicopters I have. I got KA-50 2.0, Gazelle, UH-1H.  Trial on Hind ended, and I am waiting for Apache to be more developed.  UH-60L , in my hands at least, is prone to uncommanded and arrest resistant dynamic roll. Sadly, like other DCS: helicopters, a rotor blade strike with ground or object does not result in catastrophic destruction of rotor hub and severe damage to helicopter. Only the rotor and the hub are damaged. Unrealistic behavior of damage model. Also in DCS wind simulation is simple on nonexistent on terrain pinnacles, and around large structures.

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vor 21 Stunden schrieb DmitriKozlowsky:

I was reading account of rescue of Cpt. Scott Grady, USAF in 1995.  His F-16 ate an SA-6 over Bosnia or Serbia, and he ejected. Anyhow the rescue ship, a Marine MH-53E, piloted by a Marine Colonel. At LZ, after two escorting AH-1W established a perimeter, pilot brought the huge helicopter to hover from fwd flight by standing the MH-53 on its tail then bringing it to zero speed hover prior to touching down.

I was trying to see how that maneuver would work in UH-60L. Keep in mind that RW MH-60 has uprated engines and less restrictive control laws for its FCS over UH-60L/M.

As I said it is listed under the restrictions for the UH-60: Pitch in excess of +-30° is a prohibited maneuver, as per the UH-60A/L real life manual. Guess there is a reason for that. 

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For the 'Formation Lights' the decrement function does not work with keys or joystick buttons

The bug is line 362 in the file ...\Saved Games\DCS.openbeta\Mods\aircraft\UH-60L\Cockpit\Scripts\Systems\lighting.lua

The correction is:

elseif command == Keys.formationLightsDec and formationBrightness > 0 then

lighting.lua

 

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3 hours ago, shagrat said:

As I said it is listed under the restrictions for the UH-60: Pitch in excess of +-30° is a prohibited maneuver, as per the UH-60A/L real life manual. Guess there is a reason for that. 

And that's the difference between reading "war stories" vs Pilot Operating Handbook.  One might be a great story to tell the boys over a few beers, the other one will keep you and your comrades alive and ready to work! 

After all, reading POH pages at a BBQ is not all that popular, nor is telling exagerated "war stories" during a class for a new type rating! 

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Cold Start procedure not working for me.  So I have been cheating by using autoSTart just to get basic handling of UH-60L. Now I am moving on to proper cold start by hand. Checklist not quite working for me. I am using 1.2 checklist on kneepad.

Gen No.1   ON

Gen No.2 ON

Air Source APU

Console lighting switch  Set as desired

Battery ON

APU Generator ON

APU Control Switch   ON  (Was difficult to locate)  At this point nothing happens. There is no APU whine.

APU advisories.  Check. ?????? What am I looking for? Cockpit is dark.

AHRS Alignment Check ?????? Cockpit and center console are dark. What am I looking for?

Tail Wheel Lock OFF

GPS Mode  ?????  Cockpit and center console are dark. What am I looking for?

Stabiiator control ON

FPS    ?????? Cockpit and center console are dark. What am I looking for?

Trim ON  ?????????????? Cockpit and center console are dark. 

SAS 2    ????????????   center console are dark. 

SAS 1 same as SAS 2. Dark

BOOST ON  Is that  Fuel Pump APU Boost switch ?

Stabilator Down.  Problem. It does not stay down. Probably related to dark cockpit,

Fuel Selectors DIR.  The two large white ball selectors

Engine 2 Starter Press for on1 second.   NOTHING HAPPENS. Everything is dark and quiet.

At this point I stop manual start up, as it is not working me, per 1.2 Checklist

After three attempts with same negative results. I'd like to get an opinion as to what is going on.

 

 

 


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Sounds like the APU isn't coming on at all.  Although the real one will probably light off, the SIM may not be letting it come on if you didn't take the FUEL PUMP switch to APU BOOST prior to turning the APU CONTROL SWITCH to ON.

 

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No problem.  That switch actually serves two purposes:  APU Boost , and engine priming.  Toward the tail is for APU Boost.

 

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I tell you bothas and sistas, that in this module there is a dynamic roll tendency to a degree I do not experience in other rotary sims in DCS. Approaching any kind of slope landing, even gentle, even though its a sim, my pucker factor goes up. Even taxing on falt tarmac the Blackhawk can dyn roll , depending on taxi speed and aggressive of pedal work. What makes it so difficult is that it is challenging to arrest, and very easy to overcorrect, to find yourself dyn rolling into opposite side. In UH-1H, Gazelle, and KA-50, only little bit of side cyclic displacement is needed. In hawk, quite a bit more. 

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5 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

I tell you bothas and sistas, that in this module there is a dynamic roll tendency to a degree I do not experience in other rotary sims in DCS. Approaching any kind of slope landing, even gentle, even though its a sim, my pucker factor goes up. Even taxing on falt tarmac the Blackhawk can dyn roll , depending on taxi speed and aggressive of pedal work. What makes it so difficult is that it is challenging to arrest, and very easy to overcorrect, to find yourself dyn rolling into opposite side. In UH-1H, Gazelle, and KA-50, only little bit of side cyclic displacement is needed. In hawk, quite a bit more. 

Someone else had this issue. They fixed it by removing the mod completely and downloading and installing the latest version. 

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Hello,

Just finished editing a Cold Start Training mission for this bird, hopefully with no procedure errors 🙂 

 

 

 

Will try to edit more as I go along learning this aircraft 👍

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Network - Cockpit Sync issues, Multicrew

Are there any experts here to help us out to get Cockpit sync working when doing Multicrew?

We have tried entering eachothers IP adresses in the NetConfig.lua file, and in the UH60 we choose Networking, one as Pilot and Second as Co-pilot. Says Accepting in Pilot UH, and Connected in CoPilot UH, but still doesnt sync the cockpit...
We are on the same 1.3.1 and same DCS versions.

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33 minutes ago, corb said:

Network - Cockpit Sync issues, Multicrew

Are there any experts here to help us out to get Cockpit sync working when doing Multicrew?

We have tried entering eachothers IP adresses in the NetConfig.lua file, and in the UH60 we choose Networking, one as Pilot and Second as Co-pilot. Says Accepting in Pilot UH, and Connected in CoPilot UH, but still doesnt sync the cockpit...
We are on the same 1.3.1 and same DCS versions.

Maybe it could be useful or maybe not cause it is based in first release. Good luck.

 

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