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There are reports its not confirmed about the status of this aircraft, the satellite pictures are not conclusive, infact the latest ones show the protruding tail from behind the hangar, and at least that part looks OK, the impact is at the front of the hangar with some damage to the roof, but again, the frontal part of the aircraft is not visible. At least its still standing up on its wheels.

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The most important part is that I wish everyone is OK.


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️Мрiя: новый ракурс.

Опубликован новый спутниковый снимок аэропорта Гостомель!
Антонов Ан-225 виднеется под крышей повреждённого ангара, но характерный двухкилевой хвост выглядит большим и даже «висящим» на берегу. Это может говорить о том, что борт хоть и получил, скорее всего, повреждения, но не уничтожен полностью.
Снимок датируется 28 февраля.
Снимок номер два — 20 февраля.
PS Поражает прочность конструкций ангара. Кстати, такие же работают на аэродроме Ульяновск-Восточный, где базируются Ан-124 Волга-Днепр и проходят ремонт борта ВКС РФ. https://m.ok.ru/dk?st.cmd=altGroupMediaThemeComments&st.groupId=56007034732663&st.themeId=154384956384631&st.rf=off&_prevCmd=userMain&tkn=4152&_aid=topicTextMore

 

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Maybe they can rebuild it afterwards, the damage seems most severe around the nose. It's basically a stretched An-124 with a different tail, landing gear and six engines, so as long as most of the fuselage survived (which appears to be the case), perhaps they could just make a new nose out of An-124 spares. 

I hope it doesn't get hit again, if it can't be repaired, perhaps what's left of it could be put on display, either as-is or with a dummy cockpit welded in front. 

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yeah I saw the sad confirmation today 😞

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It was definitely a modern marvel, but probably more practical options available. It was nice to be able to load literally anything into it, though.

 

9 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Maybe they can rebuild it afterwards, the damage seems most severe around the nose.

  That's where most the avionics are. Also wouldn't take much damage throughout to severely compromise integrity. When this is over though, rebuilding the 225 will be the least of their concerns.

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I wonder how the German Armed Forces and other European militaries will do strategic transport for heavy equipment now, as they depended quite a lot over the past 15 years on their charter contract ("SALIS") with the Ukrainian company Antonov Airlines, that operated the An-225 as well the An-124 for heavy cargo transports.

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They'll use An-124s. As far as size goes, it can carry most of the cargoes that An-225 could, but it's shorter in length and can't carry as much weigh. 

7 hours ago, Mars Exulte said:

That's where most the avionics are. 

Which, like most of the cockpit, were derived from the An-124. That's my point. An-225 differed mostly in fuselage length and airframe configuration. Avionics, engines and most of the other stuff were from the An-124. It's likely Ukraine will be rebuilt under some sort of modern Marshall Plan, IMO it's quite possible they'll look into salvaging this thing, as well. 

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4 hours ago, lobo said:

That plane is irreparable. 

  Yeah, it's more than just ''damage to the nose''. It's completely wrecked.

 

Just noticed the photo was already posted.


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Folks, we will never see another 225, so stop kidding yourselves. Besides, as sad as it was to see, the state of Ukraine is far more a problem now. Assuming this all came to an end tomorrow recovery will take years, a rebuild of an aircraft will not be within their priorities. 

It took a lot of work to get the existing airframe certified. Nothing on that airframe will be airworthy now, too many potential structural failures and the jigs are long gone. 

RIP Mriya, Peace to all those who have lost their loved ones, lives, homes, and Ukraine 😞


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Sad it got destroyed in this absolut useless and stupid war 😞 

I do not believe it will be built an other one.. maybe it sounds hard, but it was not built to be used like they used it. It was used because it was there and the production was already paid by the Buran project..  if you build it from new scratch… I do not believe you will ever be able to work with it without burning money for nothing… and sooo many parts that could not be done with 2 AN-125 are not around… so I guess that the time for AN-225 is over…

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If the other, partially completed one survives, maybe they can finish it, if only to make a point. That said, An-124s are perfectly capable of doing most of what it's been doing, and for ultra-huge cargo, we already have an even bigger plane: the Roc. Stratolaunch might not launch any actual rockets, but it sure is a good way to carry a massive load of stuff, particularly things that would never fit inside an aircraft fuselage.

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I've every confidence that Antonov could "easily" make another 225 from the second airframe, assuming the incomplete airframe is not also heavily damaged by the end of the war (and might be). But reality is, it would probably take 7 to 10 years after the war is over, and there's probably no one who's willing to give such a program a budget... so unless THAT changes... the dream is probably over.

Like they said in "The Right Stuff" movie: "no bucks, no Buck Rogers". Or to paraphrase from a song: "no money no program". And I just don't see anyone putting up the money for the 6 engine variant anymore.

What's not so clear to me is how much Antonov itself will survive the current invasion? Tooling, engineers and employees, specialists, manufacture of and storage of spare parts... blueprints and Autocad files...  losing the Mrya is bad enough, but now I'm getting concerned that the Antonov organisation is at significant risk... I know, small concern compared to the lives being lost there, the suffering and all... but it would still be a shame to lose Antonov itself. 

Now... the glimmer of hope for Antonov is that they recently entered an agreement with Boeing, and the newer versions were capable of doing 150 metric tons... maybe a future 124 variant using Western engines like the 66,500 lbf (296 kN) GEnx-2B67 (seen on 747-800F) might offer even more payload and other benefits?


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There is talk out there about this second airframe... apparently it includes wings, tail assembly and other things, said to be %70 complete.  They are thinking that between that airframe, and salvaging the parts from the formerly airworthy unit, it might be doable without having to make too many new/replacement parts that are mostly long gone. Apparently 124 parts are mostly from pre-1985, when the parts mostly went out of production (because there was never going to be hundreds of '124's anyway). 

 

I think it's not only doable, but I think the global industry, once the conflict is over, would be tripping over themselves to help Antonov regain it's glory and pride with a '225 The Sequel.  There are plenty of component contractors globally, who could help fill in the missing gaps, MAAA!!! Make Antonov Airworthy Again!

I think in raw usability, an Antonov 124 with GEnx could possibly handle 180 metric tons ? 

 

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There is interest in the heavy lift market, and to rebuild the aerospace sector in that country, especially in the current context of any deals with Russia being blocked on the west currently, Ukraine could still be a viable source of materials and aircraft after a few years of re-construction and renovation.

I think Russia and Ukraine are the only viable sources for high grade titanium usable for hot section parts, and that would push new built aircraft along. This is a huge opportunity for Ukraine. I'm sure the whole world wants that market open again urgently, and is a no brainer to invest there.


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It'll be costly and time consuming, but I do think Ukraine will build a new AN-225. And Antonov will probably need some help, which I'm certain they will get.  

Way back when first rumors of the 225 destroyed came out, I was hoping it was just some fire damage (and much more fire damage than I thought!). But seeing those detailed videos... there's SOOO much shrapnel damage... holes everywhere...  Repairing holes in an airframe skin is probably not a big deal... my fear is damage to hydraulic lines, damage to wires... the damage that's not easily seen right in front of your eyeball...  they'll have to gut the lines and wires, inspect every black box, every pump, replace all the lines and wires... I've heard that has a similar cost as buying a brand new plane, I would think.

Many airlines discovered that Kapton wire (actually just wire that's insulated by lightweight Kapton) was not good for prime mover airliners, meant more for fighter jets and carrier-based aircraft, like Hornets and Intruders and such. Extremely light, but doesn't do long term well, nor vibration over time... tends to overheat and catch things on fire. So a lot of airlines suddenly faced having to replace the wiring. A large number decided it was easier/better to just park those jets indefinately and buy planes that didn't need wire replacement.

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Kapton-insulated electrical wiring has been widely used in civil and military aircraft because it is lighter than other insulators and has good insulating and temperature characteristics. However, Kapton insulation ages poorly: an FAA study shows degradation in hot, humid environments[6] or in the presence of seawater. It was found to have very poor resistance to mechanical wear, mainly abrasion within cable harnesses due to aircraft movement. Many aircraft models have had to undergo extensive rewiring modifications—sometimes completely replacing all the Kapton-insulated wiring—because of short circuits caused by the faulty insulation. Kapton-wire degradation and chafing due to vibration and heat has been implicated in multiple crashes of both fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft, with loss of life.[7]

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Then again, they'll probably have to do the same for the eastern end of the country anyway...

Much better to have a war in DCS than in reality. 

 


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Come to think of it, an An-225 with 6x GEnx engines would be a real beast. If the Roc doesn't completely saturate the oversize/superheavy cargo market, it could even be worth it to serially produce the new aircraft, not just the An-124 derivative.

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Maybe...

Re-engining would require a lot of engineering, testing integration, and with it a lot of cost and time.

I'm imagining a significant contraction in oversize/overweight cargo market in the next years. Significant inflationary costs, economic downturn, reduced purchasing power affecting global sales... I hope not, but that's what things look  like our future will be. Might be a short couple years, might be a couple decades, dunno.

 

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