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DCS: F-15C  

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  1. 1. Would you like a full fiedelity F-15C for DCS?

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An F-15A/C module could come down to whether this video game ever gets serious about being a simulator and allows for the air-to-ground ordnance ALL eagles were built to carry, whether USAF used it or not (inspired by israel they did, briefly, before the strike eagle was delivered)

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On 12/6/2020 at 2:22 AM, Wizard_03 said:

ED doesn't believe that developing a full fidelity F-15C is cost effective, because it's a pure fighter. Are they wrong? Would you buy it?

 

I think AIR combat missions are the most interresting, so we need this legend

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4 hours ago, Бойовий Сокіл said:

Razbam is doing a 15E and it will be pretty much identical if not better for BVR.

The CFT's can't be removed, meaning excessive drag and weight. The C will be able to go faster and perform better at high altitude.

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20 minutes ago, Бойовий Сокіл said:

For BVR engagements that barely matters - all you need to do is be at M1.2 - 1.5, which is totally doable with the 15E. You also get more fuel than the C = more TOS and time in burner. Generally a better radar than the original 63. The G's don't really matter in that scenario. Really saying the 15C is better for BVR is only splitting hairs and min-maxing as in 99% of cases the 15E will do the same job just as good.

You still want to be able to pull G in a BVR fight. It will make defending against missiles easier as well as bringing the nose around to engage targets at different azimuths. Having more G budget available also tends to make high altitude flight easier, and more altitude means more range for your missiles as well as less fuel burn for your engines. Speaking of fuel the C can carry a huge amount with drop tanks while also being able to drop the tanks if needed. It also has the ability to fly with CFT's itself, but the C's would be less draggy without the extra AG and pod pylons (not sure if the E will be able to remove those).

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1 hour ago, Бойовий Сокіл said:

For BVR engagements that barely matters

Apparently USAF think otherwise and this is not only about BVR.

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On 8/2/2022 at 6:08 AM, Бойовий Сокіл said:

Razbam is doing a 15E and it will be pretty much identical if not better for BVR.

It certainly won't be better from a kinematics perspective, It should do the job though like you said. For those on the receiving end it won't matter if you facing an F-15C or F-15E. You'll need to treat the mudhen with just as much respect at range. However atm the radar on the F-15C is SIGNIFICANTLY under performing, and so It may be quite the wake up call for those used to that when the F-15E comes out, because the FC3 Eagle has pretty much been abandoned by ED It and the Su-27S have identical ranges which is absolutely wrong and a holdover from FC3s "game balancing" days. Both aircraft (F-15C/E) should have pretty much the best radars in the game in terms of detection range and overall power. But based on how well the M2000s radar is modeled in the game I have high hopes for raz and the mudhen.

 

So that alone will make it "better" and combine that with it's datalink you really won't be able to hide from F-15E like you can right now from the eagle.

 

But imagine you survive all that and actually make it too the merge, and it STILL spanks you. That's F-15C. A Full FF F-15C will be able to give the eurofighter

a run for its money.


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15 minutes ago, Бойовий Сокіл said:

Not really. Depends. Guns only sure but with any heaters in play it's not even close.

Not if you give it Aim-9x and JHMCS. There is certainly enough data available for a mid 2000s C eagle with all those bells and whistles. But if they stuck with the current In game available weapons of the franken-eagle we have now it's at a disadvantage sure. Especially against HOBS equipped one circle monsters like the hornet, and flanker. Even the MiG and viper can give it problems when they're rocking those.

 

The mudhen may get 9x however raz has said they want to if there's enough info they can get their hands on. But it's still gonna be a pig compared to many of the dogfight specialists in game. A C eagle with them would be very competitive.


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DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:

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On 7/20/2022 at 9:59 PM, Wizard_03 said:

They're running out of reasons 'not' too do it lol 

Yup, if you look at old flight simulators, the F-15C, the Super Hornet, the F-117 and the F-22 are the only Western ones that are missing at this point, and the Nighthawk is unlikely to happen, while the F-22 definitely won't. Out of Russian aircraft, there's MiG-29, Su-27 (ED's own Flanker series!) and Mi-28. The last of which was a pretty definite "no" from Russia, the first is all but confirmed, and the Su-27 varied between "no" and "maybe" in the past.

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On 12/5/2020 at 8:22 PM, Wizard_03 said:

ED doesn't believe that developing a full fidelity F-15C is cost effective, because it's a pure fighter. Are they wrong? Would you buy it?

 

I would buy 10 of them and gift them all if so 🙂 

 

name a price 

 

(would prefer the F-15A)

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On 3/31/2022 at 5:21 AM, draconus said:

It'd indeed make a precedent having the exact same aircraft in DCS in both FC3 quality and FF but I don't think the potential FF F-15C would be the same version as the current FC3 - so I don't see a problem here.

FC3 came as a huge module gap filling and it did its job pretty well. After years it's no longer applicable to current DCS state.

I don't believe in the need for flattening the learning curve FC3 way. With FF module you're not forced to start cold, go with full procedure, including all the tests all while the 10min INS alignment and data input. You can start hot on runway or even run airborne Instant Action mission and start firing guns and dropping bombs in minutes. If you want to learn more and dedicate yourself more you can go deep down the rabbit hole. FC3 currently only limits you both on functionality and controls. And ED does not seem go this way in DCS anymore.

But DCS cannot just ditch FC3 atm. These are aircraft that many own, fly and there are no FF alternatives, esp. for red side.

 

They could do the A model instead.

They aren’t going to touch FC3, that ship has sailed a long time ago.

I would agree though they had no problem adding a new A-10 variant.

 

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43 minutes ago, USA_Recon said:

I would buy 10 of them and gift them all if so 🙂 

 

name a price 

 

(would prefer the F-15A)

Now that you mention it a full fidelity F-15A would actually make more sense as it could be more useful in cold war scenarios with more opposing Redfore aircraft to go up against.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Evoman said:

Now that you mention it a full fidelity F-15A would actually make more sense as it could be more useful in cold war scenarios with more opposing Redfore aircraft to go up against.

 

A C would still be good for the late Cold War (though the A is probably more appropriate). Personally, it would be better to start with an A and then perhaps offer the C as an upgrade pack further down the line, like the A-10C.

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We already have modules with multiple versions. DCS Eagle could cover A and C at the same time. I really think DCS needs both, one to fill in the heart of the Cold War and one to complete the modern teen series line up.

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17 minutes ago, henshao said:

They started making C eagles in '79 so not exactly outside a cold war time frame

Yes, all 3 of them; F-15A from 1975, F-15C from 1979 and F-15C MSIP II from 1985 are pure Cold War machines. Su-27S entered service 1985 exactly like F-15C MSIP II.

After the Cold War F-15C still received modernisation far later on, but it was slow due to lack of priority and lack of need for specialized air superiority fighter at all in a world of US military dominance.

But yes, F-15A from mid 1970s would be great, it had the best low speed maneuverability and nose authority and awesome acceleration with lighter airframe, but tempremental engines to tame. In 1970s, just like F-14A, it was considered superfighter. It had much simpler radar avionics and it relied more on a classic air combat, being great for mid Cold War 1970s scenarios. It would be fantastic if someone would make F-15 like DCS F-14 equivalent - with A, C and C MSIP II versions.


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All aircraft on the ramp are franken birds. I wager that not one single F-15 or any other fighter on any ramp at any airbase exactly matches any particular specification. They all have something different.

As far as FC3 goes, those aircraft included in FC3 are the very heart and soul of DCS. There is nothing preventing ED or any other dev from building them. Plenty of each type are in Western hands already. 

I own practically all the modules. However, I always come back to the FC3 birds. They are the reason I fly DCS. It is literally a travesty that we do not have a full module of each type in the FC3 series. 

We also need ramp equipment like trucks, towbars, etc. 

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13 minutes ago, Mig Fulcrum said:

Quick dumb question, is the F-15A compatible with AIM-120? Does it have TWS?

If so it could act like a -C (ish) since in BVR the aircraft itself is less important then the radar+missile combination

 

At least some were

http://www.amarcexperience.com/ui/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=142&Itemid=172

Before these events, in 1983, McDonnell Douglas and the Air Force agreed on the development of two Multistage Improvement Programs (MSIP) for the F-15, named 'MSIP I' and 'MSIP II'. These programs were designed to upgrade the F-15 in most areas including radar and avionics, improved countermeasures, armament (including the AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range AAM (AMRAAM), the modern follow-on to the Sparrow missile), engines and stronger landing gear....Due to the projected costs of MSIP I, which was aimed at the F-15A/B, it was cancelled but the MSIP II program, which was developed for the F-15C/D fleet, proceeded. A number of F-15A/Bs were provided with a subset of the MSIP II upgrades including such items as the stronger landing gear of the F-15C/D, F100-PW-220E engines, and improved Raytheon AN/APG-63(V)1 radar. However, a large number of the F-15A/Bs were deemed to not be suitable for the upgrades and were retired from service.

 

The tail number on this AMRAAM-shooting Louisiana ANG bird starts with 77-, ie the year it was made (therefore F-15A). Specifically it is an F-15A-19-MC Eagle (block 19 F-15A) http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1977.html

1200px-F-15A_Louisiana_ANG_launching_AIM

 

notably this appears to be at least an AIM-120C


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