Upcoming flight model adjustments

[Diesel_Thunder]

Surprised this hadn't been posted yet.

 

Can't wait to fly this in the next patch!

 

[silverdevil]

pretty cool! i am looking forward to having my butt handed to me while piloting a clearly superior aircraft  

[Hummingbird]

Indeed very nice to finally see this coming. 

 

[schmiefel]

Looks pretty cool, indeed. I just wonder if we would get some simulation of physical limitations to the virtual pilot to prevent abusing those technical possibilities beyond the limits of human beeings, because no one could stand high G loads forever and keep fighting under those circumstances...

[Hummingbird]

1 minute ago, schmiefel said:

Looks pretty cool, indeed. I just wonder if we would get some simulation of physical limitations to the virtual pilot to prevent abusing those technical possibilities beyond the limits of human beeings, because no one could stand high G loads forever and keep fighting under those circumstances...

 

Well to be fair, the F-16 pilot should be able to handle more G's than usual due to the inclined seat and positive pressure oxygen mask.

[TheBigTatanka]

Only have to sustain them long enough to get a 9X tone.

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[RentedAndDented]

3 hours ago, schmiefel said:

Looks pretty cool, indeed. I just wonder if we would get some simulation of physical limitations to the virtual pilot to prevent abusing those technical possibilities beyond the limits of human beeings, because no one could stand high G loads forever and keep fighting under those circumstances...

Am I missing something? G tolerance is modelled and you will black out. 

[nima2014]

Looking good. Now my question is, do the stores have the correct drag or is it also fine tuned?! I mean, in this video he is using a slick viper and it would be counterproductive if we’ll get a fine tuned FM but the drag of any store on the jet is degrading this due it’s fault drag index. So, does anyone know from the past if the drag index for all weapons, tanks etc. have been correctly  modeled?

[ACME_WIdgets]

For me the question is - Is this realistic to the performance of a real F-16?   Even if it IS realistic, if it's so dramatically better than all other ED jets, it will ruin the game making it a one jet game.

And yes pulling 9gs for any amount of time will cause you to black out.  That's why if you let go of a real  F-16 stick (or throttle?) the plane will start to fly level after a certain amount of time.
At 5gs I start to get tunnel vision without a g-suit.

[karasawa]

 

Edited March 10, 2022 by karasawa

[Tom Kazansky]

Finally we will get a Viper

Thanks a lot ED and thanks for the video.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Tom Kazansky

[TheBigTatanka]

It should be made realistic, regardless of how it influences people to fly one module over another. Eventually, the heatblur Eurofighter will out-rate the F-16.

It's also just a correction to the flight dynamics, it doesn't mean people will dominate with the jet in BFM. If you allow yourself to fall victim to a hornet or tomcat gameplan, the rate of the F-16 won't help you.

People will also pick aircraft they want to fly based on their overall capes, not just turn rate and G. Guys who want to fly attack, will fly A-10s, etc.

Anyway, I'm super stoked that we will be getting an F-16 that will feel like an F-16.

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[schmiefel]

4 hours ago, RentedAndDented said:

Am I missing something? G tolerance is modelled and you will black out. 

Yes. But that's it. Fighting under high G loads means that one gets exhausted - the more and longer, the faster. It can be trained to some extend, but ask real fighter pilots about some typical and constant behaviour and manoeuvres done in military flight simulations and they would just state, that this hurts. It's a bit like the abused possibilities to look much further back and that's even possible under high G loads. I mean: it's one thing to replicate the technical possibilities of a fighter aircraft. But if you want a real simulation shouldn't you try to simulate what's possible under real circumstances?

[Snappy]

Didn’t ED always claim the sustained turn rates were already spot on, matching the data they used to model it?

Now given the first side by side comparison in the video it seems they further boosted STR significantly.

Certainly hope they re not catering to the complaining crowds, it seems to become a recurring scheme lately.

 

Edited March 10, 2022 by Snappy

[Lace]

6 hours ago, ACME_WIdgets said:

For me the question is - Is this realistic to the performance of a real F-16?   Even if it IS realistic, if it's so dramatically better than all other ED jets, it will ruin the game making it a one jet game.

And yes pulling 9gs for any amount of time will cause you to black out.  That's why if you let go of a real  F-16 stick (or throttle?) the plane will start to fly level after a certain amount of time.
At 5gs I start to get tunnel vision without a g-suit.

 

It will only ruin the game if your sole focus is PvP and K/D ratios.  For everyone else who wants as realistic as possible an experience it will vastly improve the game.

[_SteelFalcon_]

amazing how people already start complaining before the changes are even live without getting hands on at all.

[Glide]

9 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Certainly hope they re not catering to the complaining crowds, it seems to become a recurring scheme lately.

I don't think so.  It was as good as they could get it, and they found a way to make it better.  I really thought it was done, but now I'm as excited as a schoolboy for the new one!

[Snappy]

9 minutes ago, _SteelFalcon_ said:

amazing how people already start complaining before the changes are even live without getting hands on at all.

Oh, so it’s cool to hype sth before it’s released, but not make critical statements? Interesting.

If you have nothing to add, don’t bother writing.

[Blindman]

So today we have an F16 that in certain conditions behaves like a Cessna.

Now they fixed it, it is not even out, so none of you have tested it in a multiplayer server, not vs AI, and there are already complaints about it being OP.

[Snappy]

8 minutes ago, Blindman said:

So today we have an F16 that in certain conditions behaves like a Cessna.

Now they fixed it, it is not even out, so none of you have tested it in a multiplayer server, not vs AI, and there are already complaints about it being OP.

Kindly enlighten us, in which areas of the envelope it performs like a Cessna? Please provide the relevant Cessna flight performance links too , so we can check the accuracy of your statement.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Snappy

[_SteelFalcon_]

10 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Kindly enlighten us, in which areas of the envelope it performs like a Cessna? Please provide the relevant Cessna flight performance links too , so we can check the accuracy of your statement.

 

Or you know, you might aswell want to show us some data to your claim that it‘s gonna be wrong with the new FM…  

especially the „catering to a complaining crowd that seems to be a scheme lately“ part.

Edited March 10, 2022 by _SteelFalcon_

[Hiob]

The "problem" with the G is the same as in any other DCS Aircraft. Blackout (and redout) are modelled, but where it starts to get difficult is, when you balance on the edge of blackout.

As far as I'm aware, you can do this (in any aircraft) as long as your kinetic energy lasts to sustain the Gs. Usually that's longer than a real personal could bear 9 Gs.

I have no clue, how long a trained pilot in a G-suit can bear 9 G, but I doubt that it is longer than 30-60 sec.

To simulate that, one would need a kind of timer for pilot fatigue.

But do we really want that? I'm not sure.

[Blindman]

20 minutes ago, Snappy said:

Kindly enlighten us, in which areas of the envelope it performs like a Cessna? Please provide the relevant Cessna flight performance links too , so we can check the accuracy of your statement.

 

You know,

you don't need to take everything "literally". If you are convinced that the F16 is ok as it is now, go on and keep believing it.

But it is not, if you search the forum, it's plenty of posts from the moderators saying the flight model still needed some adjustments, especially on the G onset, and that's what they did.

Or, Kindly enlighten us, and show us data about the FM being spot on as it is now.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Blindman

[Lace]

3 minutes ago, Hiob said:

when you balance on the edge of blackout.

 

 

Don't play with the grey.

[Snappy]

7 minutes ago, Blindman said:

You know,

you don't need to take everything "literally". If you are convinced that the F16 is ok as it is now, go on and keep believing it.

But it is not, if you search the forum, it's plenty of posts from the moderators saying the flight model still needed some adjustments, especially on the G onset, and that's what they did.

Or, Kindly enlighten us, and show us data about the FM being spot on as it is now.

 

Already did , you just need to read. Also I never said the FM was complete or perfect.I was specifically talking only about STR and no, I can’t be bothered to dig out 9Line or BNs posts where they stated the FM matches the available data.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Snappy