reported Roland acquisition time is way too long

[Rissala]

When driving the Roland SAM system, it takes 10 seconds to acquire the target.
This seems way too long to be realistic.
It leads to surreal moments where a target is slowly turning towards you while you are unable to react even when the perfect shot is lined up.

Is reducing it to 4 or 5 seconds possible? (similar to TOR)

 

roland aq time.trk

[Northstar98]

It's fairly similar with everything CA - it's a more arcady, low-fidelity system, that doesn't take into account the actual systems.

Otherwise +1.

Edited March 14, 2022 by Northstar98

[Rissala]

4 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

It's fairly similar with everything CA - it's a more arcady, low-fidelity system, that doesn't take into account the actual systems.

Otherwise +1.

 

Yes of course. The numbers are completely arbitrary with the other systems as well.

IMO the 10 seconds is just a bit too much thats all.

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, Rissala said:

Yes of course. The numbers are completely arbitrary with the other systems as well.

IMO the 10 seconds is just a bit too much thats all.

Oh I absolutely agree, 10 seconds is pretty silly for RADAR acquisition.

[Kang]

Now, I have no idea what the actual reaction time of a Roland is supposed to be, but I'd like to point out that the 'delay' here isn't just the radar acquisition itself but the overall launch preparation which includes acquisition, determining firing solution, launch calculation and possibly preparing the missile.

[NineLine]

Yeah I think we would need to see some real info on this if it's available. If you guys have some actual info I can take a look, otherwise we cannot make changes for the sake of it.

And is this human controlled or AI. 

[Rissala]

11 hours ago, NineLine said:

Yeah I think we would need to see some real info on this if it's available. If you guys have some actual info I can take a look, otherwise we cannot make changes for the sake of it.

And is this human controlled or AI. 

Human controlled. The AI reacts faster than the CA controlled unit.
10 seconds spent waiting for a lock is very long compared to other controllable units in DCS.

Here the reaction time is quoted to be 6-8 seconds which includes the turret rotation and alignment. 10 seconds is more than the entire reaction time for the system.
https://wikimili.com/en/Roland_(missile)

On 3/16/2022 at 11:15 AM, Kang said:

Now, I have no idea what the actual reaction time of a Roland is supposed to be, but I'd like to point out that the 'delay' here isn't just the radar acquisition itself but the overall launch preparation which includes acquisition, determining firing solution, launch calculation and possibly preparing the missile.

Yes I understand what the delay represents.
Just compared to other systems it is very long.

[birkenmoped]

Establish combat readiness
 

Betriebszustand (Operating state)	Beschreibung (Description)	Zeit (Time)
1. Grundzustand (basic state)	Turm, Richteinheit und Antennen in Ruhestellung verriegelt. Stromversorgung aus (Turret, pointing unit and antennas locked in rest position. Power supply off)	3 min
2. Überwachung (surveillance)	Stromversorgung ein, Suchradar aufgeklappt und in Betrieb. (Power supply on, search radar unfolded and in operation.)	15 s
3. Bereitschaft (readiness)	Ladearme in 90°-Position, FR-Antenne aufgeklappt und verriegelt, Hydraulikdruck Wanne aufgebaut (Loading arms in 90° position, FR antenna unfolded and locked, hydraulic pressure hull built up)	16 s
4. Bekämpfung (engagement)	wie 3, zusätzlich Visierklappe des optischen Visiers geöffnet, Turm und Richtanlage sind entriegelt. (like 3, additionally sighting flap of optical sighting open, turret and aiming system are unlocked.)	2 s

Source: https://dewiki.de/Lexikon/Roland_(Waffensystem)
Source: http://www.flarakgrp42.de/technik/rolandfrr/betriebsarten.php

 

Bekämpfungsablauf (combat sequence)

http://www.flarakgrp42.de/images/roland-technik049_lbb.jpg

From right to left (see also arrow)
9 seconds to launch - Search
7 seconds to launch - Assign
5 seconds to launch - Target Lock
3 seconds to launch - Track
1 second to launch - Engage (triggered by commander)
0 second - Launching the missile

Source: http://www.flarakgrp42.de/technik/photogaleriefrr/technik-frr--allgemein.html

Edited March 23, 2022 by birkenmoped

[NineLine]

Thanks for the info, I will look into this deeper.

[NineLine]

Thanks guys, this is reported.