Jarhead0331 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The Apache absolutely tanks my frame rate. I figured there would be a hit, but this is ridiculous. I average in the 50s and 60s and in the apache its mostly in the 10s and low 20s. WTH? It's not the patch either because I loaded up a mission in the Viper and I was back to 50s and 60s. Any suggestions? It will be unplayable if the FPS stay this low. My system is an i9-12900K, RTX3080Ti and 64GB Ram installed on an SSD. What gives? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidrbarnette Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Me too. 5950x, 3080, 64GB ram, ssd framerate was nearly unplayable until I reduced the resolution on my quest 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakepit92 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 i7, 10700k, 64gb ram, 3080, getting half the frames that I do with any other module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMGZ06 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Ya I dont have as good of a rig as some of you but mine really took a hit. I am lucky to get 30fps with a lot of settings turned off or down with my G2 at 80% SS in steamvr The NVG in the IHADDS really hits it hard. 1 System Specs: 13900K, Strix Z790 Gaming E, MSI 4090 Sprim Liquid X OC'd, 64gb Gskill Trident Z DDR5, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 SSD,. Winwing throttle, Winwing panels/MIPs and VKB GF3/MCGU stick, MFG Crosswind V2, HP REVERB G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullant Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 And yet mine is buttery smooth, better than some other aircraft, even in Syria. Go figure. 3 Intel i7 13700K @ 5.3 GHz / ASUS TUF Gaming Z490-Plus / 64 Gb G.Skill DDR4-3600 / RTX 4090 / 2TB Kingston KC3000 NVME / Win 10 x64 Pro / Pimax Crystal / WINWING F/A-18 HOTAS A-10C, AJS-37, AV-8B, F-4E, F-5E, F-14, F-15E, F-16, F/A-18C, F-86F, FC3, Christen Eagle 2, FW190D-9, Mosquito, P-47D, P-51D, Spitfire, AH-64D, KA-50, UH-1H Combined Arms, WWII Asset Pack, China Assets Pack, Super Carrier, Falklands Assets Nevada, Normandy, Persian Gulf, The Channel, Syria, Mariana Islands, South Atlantic, Sinai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMGZ06 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Bullant said: And yet mine is buttery smooth, better than some other aircraft, even in Syria. Go figure. 3 System Specs: 13900K, Strix Z790 Gaming E, MSI 4090 Sprim Liquid X OC'd, 64gb Gskill Trident Z DDR5, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 SSD,. Winwing throttle, Winwing panels/MIPs and VKB GF3/MCGU stick, MFG Crosswind V2, HP REVERB G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyBastd Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Perhaps check preload radius. It was set to max on mine, I don't remember doing that myself. No other modules seemed to care, but apache frames went to hell. With a low preload radius value, my normal fps is back and it runs very well. 7700K@5Ghz, 32GB 3600 CL16, 3080. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assafm25 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) The Apache is just unplayable in VR. I think the main issue is the Helmet and the IHADSS not fit for VR. Edited March 18, 2022 by assafm25 3 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] IAF Bell205 IAF Anafa ----------------------- DCS World Modules: A-10C, FC3, MiG-21BiS, F-86, P-51, KA-50, UH-1H Huey, Mi-8, M2000K, Gazal, Bf109, Mig-15, Hawk and NTTR ----------------------- My System - ASUS Maximus HERO iiiv, CoolMaster 120 Sadion Plus, I7 -6700K @4.0, G.Skill ddr4 16GB ram, Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 , PSU Seasonic X-650W, OCZ 150 500Gb ssd drive X2, Seagate 7200 1T X2. ------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Yes. IHADSS is the biggest source of VR performance issues with Apache. I don't think much can be done about it though, apart from decreasing graphics quality. 1 AMD R7 5800X3D | Aorus B550 Pro | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 4080 | VKB MGC Pro Gunfighter Mk III + Thustmaster TWCS + VKB T-Rudder Mk4 | HP Reverb G2 FC3 | A-10C II | Ка-50 | P-51 | UH-1 | Ми-8 | F-86F | МиГ-21 | FW-190 | МиГ-15 | Л-39 | Bf 109 | M-2000C | F-5 | Spitfire | AJS-37 | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Як-52 | F-14 | F-16 | Ми-24 | AH-64 NTTR | Normandy | Gulf | Syria | Supercarrier | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elunnia Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 ryzen 5800x 32Go ram and RTX3070 Absolutely no issue in VR. Everything in High, msaa x2 ->oculus CV1 with SS 1.5 The IHADSS is great in VR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lefuneste01 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Same here : I did just 1 test, instant action: on ground with all on + Ihadss, nonFlir, fps just a bit above 30, fpsVR showing CPU at orange... I noticed also a slight degradation for A10CII instant action/takeoff (my default benchmark), but it remains > 40 fps... So the AH64 is really fps hungry and not VR friendly... P8700K @4.8 GHz, 3080ti, 32 GB RAM, HP reverb Pro. I spend my time making 3dmigoto VR mods for BoS and DCS instead of flying, see https://www.patreon.com/lefuneste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapierarch Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, Elunnia said: ryzen 5800x 32Go ram and RTX3070 Absolutely no issue in VR. Everything in High, msaa x2 ->oculus CV1 with SS 1.5 The IHADSS is great in VR. CV1 even with 1.5 does not come close to native resolution quest2 or G2. I would not have this problem too in your setup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 My Rift S system (i7 6700k, GPU 1070, 32G RAM) doesn't seem too much affected either, this FPS hit hasn't hit me so hard as you all. 2 Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapierarch Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Whisper said: My Rift S system (i7 6700k, GPU 1070, 32G RAM) doesn't seem too much affected either, this FPS hit hasn't hit me so hard as you all. Just to be clear. I'm perfectly fine if the flir is not enabled anywhere. It is just the flir which tanks the FPS in my case. 3950x 2070S 32GB Quest 2 native resolution (slider all the way to max) standalone no steamVR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisper Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I'll check FLIR impact, that's maybe something I missed Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tepnox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) For me, without FLIR or TADS the module behaves the same gpu-load like with the KA-50. I am using a Rift S @ 40fps with 1.5 Supersampling and MSAA2x. Enabling the FLIR / TADS can eat up to 25 % of my GPU-load on my 3080 Ti. So you basically need alot of headroom in gpu-usage to fly with FLIR / TADS. Otherwise, the fps-drop kicks in. Maybe this can get optimized in the near future, but I think the new FLIR-system eats alot more rendering power. Edited March 18, 2022 by Tepnox Ryzen 7 5800X3D // 64 GB RAM // RTX 4090 // Quest Pro // Quest 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead0331 Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 It remains a total mystery...I've deleted the fxo and metashader folders. I removed all aircraft mods. I reinstalled openvr_fsr and even removed it altogether. I tried loading on different maps under different conditions. The frames still take a giant crap. What else can possibly be the cause of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidrbarnette Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I think the performance issues are entirely CPU related. Now, keep in mind, I have no idea what I'm talking about and am not a software engineer. Having said this, I can load up the same DCS Liberation mission (very taxing on hardware due to the number of units) on a dedicated server on the same PC and go from 20 - 30 FPS to 72 FPS due to it using the hardware more efficiently. Not sure why this "hack" that takes 2 minutes is something that is taking so long to implement as a core feature of the game, but here we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead0331 Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 Forgot to mention...I also removed the IHADSS monocle...no difference whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) The Ah64 works like any other module on my end in VR, 45fps sometimes more sometimes it drops to the 35's. I don't think this helps the people with performance problems, just wanted to mention that i can't see any performance difference to other modules in VR. DCS PD 1.0 and running 100% native resolution of the G2, DCS settings: Edited March 18, 2022 by unknown Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG27_Arklight Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rapierarch said: Just to be clear. I'm perfectly fine if the flir is not enabled anywhere. It is just the flir which tanks the FPS in my case. 3950x 2070S 32GB Quest 2 native resolution (slider all the way to max) standalone no steamVR. Quest 2 native resolution is 1832×1920 (per eye). If you are running what equates to 3950x2070 per eye than that is prob the issue lol. I dont have a Quest so not sure thats possible but putting it out there just in case. Edited March 18, 2022 by JG27_Arklight Ark ------------------ Windows 10 Pro x64 9900K @ 5ghz Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB CAS 14 EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Ultra XC2 256gb Samsung 869 Pro (Boot Drive) 1TB - Samsung 970 EVO Plus Seasoninc 1000w Titanium Ultra PSU 34" ASUS PG348 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, davidrbarnette said: I can load up the same DCS Liberation mission (very taxing on hardware due to the number of units) on a dedicated server on the same PC and go from 20 - 30 FPS to 72 FPS due to it using the hardware more efficiently. How to do this please. 36 minutes ago, unknown said: The Ah64 works like any other module on my end in VR, 45fps sometimes more sometimes it drops to the 35's. I don't think this helps the people with performance problems, just wanted to mention that i can't see any performance difference to other modules in VR. DCS PD 1.0 and running 100% native resolution of the G2, DCS settings: Those settings should be grinding your VR into the dust. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, Steel Jaw said: Those settings should be grinding your VR into the dust. Nope, but i have no problems if the fps drop to the 30's in VR, i was running an Rift S with an 1080ti for a long time. But i had to increase my page file(2xRAM size on M.2) a couple months ago to be able to keep playing MPwithout DCS crashing. The only thing that is killing my performance(2D/VR) is this bug: 3 Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vCUJOv Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Snakepit92 said: i7, 10700k, 64gb ram, 3080, getting half the frames that I do with any other module +1 . Same PC specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javivi0000 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Impossible, unplayable, with 3070 ti, quest2, I've tried everything... a pity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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