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Why does the upper helicopter rotor disappear after pressing alt+j to take control of ah-64d?


huchanronaa

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Hi, 

please include a track replay showing it happen, when I test it seems fine for me. 

thank you

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Hi All.

I have also come across this issue with the AH-64 and it occours when taking control from or giving control to the AI system using R-ALT+J and happens with a Hot Start, checked on the caucasus map no mods or tweeks installed, I will try a few more methods to see if happens consistantly, please find attached a couple of tracks showing the issue, hope this helps.

JC#01 AH-64D Loses Main Rotor Blades.trk JC#02 AH-64D Loses Main Rotor Blades.trk

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Blades seem ok for me in your tracks 

can I confirm you are not using game flight or game avionics in the dcs gameplay settings tab. Game modes are creating problems currently

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Hi Bignewy

I can confirm I am not using game mode at all, I have noticed the tracks are not catching some other issues I am encountering, so I will attach a video capture of issues to confirm as well as a track. Thanks for the reply.

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Hi Bignewy

I went through the option screen and can reconfirm game mode is not selected on either of the two options, I have tried to attach a video file but is too big, will try again with a shorter vid hopefully showing the issue, unfortunatly the vids are larger than 5MB, attached a screen shot showing the issue,  hope it helps.Digital Combat Simulator 31_03_2022 11_14_26.png

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Same for me, ED denied but this weird bug does exist

21 minutes ago, Crowman said:

Hi Bignewy

I went through the option screen and can reconfirm game mode is not selected on either of the two options, I have tried to attach a video file but is too big, will try again with a shorter vid hopefully showing the issue, unfortunatly the vids are larger than 5MB, attached a screen shot showing the issue,  hope it helps.Digital Combat Simulator 31_03_2022 11_14_26.png

Same for me, ED denied but this weird bug does exist

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1 hour ago, huchanronaa said:

Same for me, ED denied but this weird bug does exist

 

I can not reproduce, its not about denying, to report the issue I need to reproduce. 

Please remove any unofficial mods if any, run a slow repair of DCS or verify if steam

retry after and if it still happens please attach the dcs.log straight after so we can look for clues. 

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2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

I can not reproduce, its not about denying, to report the issue I need to reproduce. 

Please remove any unofficial mods if any, run a slow repair of DCS or verify if steam

retry after and if it still happens please attach the dcs.log straight after so we can look for clues. 

reproduce as follows:

This is an AI-flying AH-64D, with the upper rotor visible

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When I press ALT+J to take control, the upper rotor disappears:

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This is an obvious bug, I'm surprised why it wasn't found in the test

Hope BIGNEWY will understand and fix it soon

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Hi Bignewy

Removed Tacview (was only mod installed), carried out slow repair as requested and retested, fault still apparent, so please find attached logs immediatly post testing, hope they help.

dcs.log debrief.log

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6 hours ago, huchanronaa said:

reproduce as follows:

This is an AI-flying AH-64D, with the upper rotor visible

P_20220331_223932_vHDR_AIAuto.jpg

When I press ALT+J to take control, the upper rotor disappears:

P_20220331_223955_vHDR_ALTJAuto.jpg

This is an obvious bug, I'm surprised why it wasn't found in the test

Hope BIGNEWY will understand and fix it soon

I understand the issue, but can not reproduce it

4 hours ago, Crowman said:

Hi Bignewy

Removed Tacview (was only mod installed), carried out slow repair as requested and retested, fault still apparent, so please find attached logs immediatly post testing, hope they help.

dcs.log 56.4 kB · 1 download debrief.log 1.02 kB · 0 downloads

thanks, I am not seeing anything obvious, I will ask another team member to check 

 

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4 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

I understand the issue, but can not reproduce it

thanks, I am not seeing anything obvious, I will ask another team member to check 

 

It's easy enough to reproduce this error, do as I say:
For an ah-64d that is controlled by AI, press the alt+j key to gain control, and then from the inside or outside view of the ah-64d cockpit, you can find that the upper rotor of the ah-64d has disappeared!!

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4 hours ago, huchanronaa said:

It's easy enough to reproduce this error, do as I say:
For an ah-64d that is controlled by AI, press the alt+j key to gain control, and then from the inside or outside view of the ah-64d cockpit, you can find that the upper rotor of the ah-64d has disappeared!!

As I have already mentioned it is working correctly for me, I can not report this issue if I can not reproduce it. 

I have asked others to check also

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23 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

As I have already mentioned it is working correctly for me, I can not report this issue if I can not reproduce it. 

I have asked others to check also

Confirm that the above error will occur on both computers with gtx 1060 6g and rtx 2060 6g graphics cards installed respectively
Maybe BIGNEWY is using rtx 3060 or rtx 3070 graphics card so everything is fine,
but that doesn't mean it's ok

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Hi All.

I thought with the issues that are affecting some of us, and Game mode being mentioned as causing issues, I thought "I wonder what game mode causes" so I activated Game mode on both settings that are available and retried the AH-64 module to see what happened, It was hysterical to see over Mach 1 in horizontal flight and over 200,000 ft in altitude, also of interest and more relevant to this post was the fact that at one point during my messing about, I had the engines and rotors running so I thought lets try changing to/from AI to see what happens and lo and behold the blades and hub remained. I will do some more checking and let you know, Just thought I would mention this to try and help nail the issue. Happy bug hunting. and yes I will switch game mode off again when I've finished messing about. Catch you all later. Gigidy.

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Hi All.

Sorry about the previous post regarding the blades and hub in game mode, they are still as mentioned at the start of the post, Game Mode doesn't seem to affect the main rotor disappearing issue, sorry to get your hopes up, I will continue checking and keep you informed if I find anything different.

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Hi Bignewy.

Good to hear that someone on the team has managed to reproduce the issue, thanks for letting us know.

Happy Bug Hunting.

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