Autohover and En-Route mode?

[v2tec]

Does the real AH-64d really lack of an autohover mode and automatic en-route mode?

I thought it would be a modern combat helicopter - like the KA-50.

Perhaps, that is the reason, why we have a separat pilot in the AH-64d doing that job...

Edited April 5, 2022 by v2tec

[Devrim]

6 minutes ago, v2tec said:

Perhaps, that is the reason, why we have a separat pilot in the AH-64d doing that job...

Yes. I thought the same thing.

Ka-50 was flied by one pilot. Its systems were designed to reduce workload of pilot, but it's not the same thing for Apache.

But, I expected the same thing as you did for Apache; very advanced navigation and MPD systems but no auto fly or auto things.

[Sarge55]

Hover hold etc. are not implemented yet.  Perhaps in the next update.

[Dozer1606688093]

Love the autopilot in the KA-50. I can just relax, enjoy the ride and prepare for the battle. Also hover hold.. Brilliant!!

[frostycab]

1 hour ago, Dozer1606688093 said:

Love the autopilot in the KA-50. I can just relax, enjoy the ride and prepare for the battle. Also hover hold.. Brilliant!!

Have you tried the hover hold in the Gazelle? It gently rocks you to sleep. 

[Nevyn]

The Hind is pleasure to fly as well, trim it out, engage altitude hold or route mode and go for coffee.

[spikenet]

yes some interesting design choices in the systems. I'm sure they have a reason.

Not sure why something simple like cycle through waypoints isnt on the hocas, but I guess the CPG looks after the nav IRL?

 

Casmo demonstrated what can go wrong with the pilot getting his head down in the MPD's in a clip

Edited April 6, 2022 by spikenet
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[Scaley]

Two hold modes (altitude and speed) exist, but neither is yet implemented in DCS.

[dburne]

Well I wish ED would get on the stick with the Hover Hold implementation. I could sure use the assistance for my landings from hover lol.

[agamemnon_b5]

48 minutes ago, dburne said:

Well I wish ED would get on the stick with the Hover Hold implementation. I could sure use the assistance for my landings from hover lol.

The early access release has some mind boggling choices.  Lack of a hover hold and a functioning attitude hold, to start with.

Not to mention the robbie tank and gimping the amount of rounds we can carry.

[LooseSeal]

29 minutes ago, agamemnon_b5 said:

The early access release has some mind boggling choices.  Lack of a hover hold and a functioning attitude hold, to start with.

What is this 'hover hold' everyone is talking about? As stated above - there are altitude and attitude holds.

I'd be interested to find out from those in the know whether these two, when activated together in a pre-established hover, actually do hold the aircraft in a stable, stationary hover. And to what extent do we need to maneuver ourselves into a stationary hover prior to engaging them? Is it like the Ka-50 where we can get below a certain speed, activate them and the aircraft will stabilise itself down to 0kts? If not, I fear lots of people will come on here complaining about how they're still drifting around with the so-called "hover hold" enabled 

[Sarge55]

Sounds like early access isn’t for everyone.

It’s not for the faint of heart

[5ephir0th]

26 minutes ago, Sarge55 said:

Sounds like early access isn’t for everyone.

It’s not for the faint of heart

I thinks it looks more than "flying an helicopter isn´t for everyone"

Cmon guys, auto hover and route mode, you like to be the passenger of your on bike? 

[dburne]

Well we don't really know and ED afaik is not saying yet. No reason to bash on those commenting about it really... I will say IF there are any stability features coming that will help one maintain a hover they certainly would be welcomed by me, irregardless of what you call them.

Anyways back to practicing my hovering and landings from a hover. I just refuse to continue in my learning of the Apache until I can do these consistently.

Edited April 6, 2022 by dburne

[Castor Troy]

16 minutes ago, 5ephir0th said:

I thinks it looks more than "flying an helicopter isn´t for everyone"

Cmon guys, auto hover and route mode, you like to be the passenger of your on bike? 

No, but I do like to take a few bingers, and drink a few beers on the way to a target area, while admiring the helicopter in 3rd person view, and fly bys.

[agamemnon_b5]

1 hour ago, LooseSeal said:

What is this 'hover hold' everyone is talking about? As stated above - there are altitude and attitude holds.

Semantics argument.

1 hour ago, 5ephir0th said:

I thinks it looks more than "flying an helicopter isn´t for everyone"

Cmon guys, auto hover and route mode, you like to be the passenger of your on bike? 

So now we clowning people for wanting stuff that's on the aircraft that is being modeled?

[MrReynolds]

Okay.

Single player.

In cpg seat.  Fighting AND flying.

Being able to use auto hover /alt hold like in the gazelle will be really useful for real quick alt adjustments.  Quicker and more accurate than our friend George.  He does a good job, but not as quick as I am at gaining alt for a LOAL or ducking down to hide from a missile launch.

[pii]

On 4/6/2022 at 9:15 AM, dburne said:

Well I wish ED would get on the stick with the Hover Hold implementation. I could sure use the assistance for my landings from hover lol.

Learn how to do it yourself, its more fun when you finally get it. Its taken me from day one till today to finally be able to (some what) hover and can land now fairly close to where I wanted to and not 3 miles away.  Next step is to land on a little tiny wheenie pad. lol

Now get back to training cadet and stop looking for a crutch.  

[pii]

On 4/6/2022 at 12:39 PM, agamemnon_b5 said:

Semantics argument.

So now we clowning people for wanting stuff that's on the aircraft that is being modeled?

Of course! You new to the Internet?  

[QuiGon]

On 4/6/2022 at 4:41 PM, LooseSeal said:

What is this 'hover hold' everyone is talking about? As stated above - there are altitude and attitude holds.

I'd be interested to find out from those in the know whether these two, when activated together in a pre-established hover, actually do hold the aircraft in a stable, stationary hover.

AFAIK they do, if activated at 4kts or less.

  

On 4/6/2022 at 4:05 PM, agamemnon_b5 said:

The early access release has some mind boggling choices.  Lack of a hover hold and a functioning attitude hold, to start with.

Not to mention the robbie tank and gimping the amount of rounds we can carry.

ED planned to have both AP hold modes available at EA release, but unfortunately the work on the underlying SCAS system turned out much more complicated than expected, so that they were't able to deliver the hold modes with the iniital EA release.
Wags talked about this somewhere in this interview IIRC:

[agamemnon_b5]

21 hours ago, pii said:

Learn how to do it yourself, its more fun when you finally get it. Its taken me from day one till today to finally be able to (some what) hover and can land now fairly close to where I wanted to and not 3 miles away.  Next step is to land on a little tiny wheenie pad. lol

Now get back to training cadet and stop looking for a crutch.  

Has nothing to do with a crutch and everything to do with practicality.  Casmo inadvertently demonstrated this when he almost crashed while trying to do several things at once.  

The Apache seems to settle into power quite easily, and the collective is extremally sensitive and almost requires constant inputs, no matter how small.  Casmo was doing all this while also engaging targets, looking for the enemy, directing the CPG etc.  Almost ended up in a fiery crash.

13 minutes ago, QuiGon said:

ED planned to have both AP hold modes available at EA release, but unfortunately the work on the underlying SCAS system turned out much more complicated than expected, so that they were't able to deliver the hold modes with the iniital EA release.

Then it should have been delayed another month or two.  They already had the preorder money.  I'm sure the community would understand, given they'd be getting a more functioning product.

[QuiGon]

11 minutes ago, agamemnon_b5 said:

Then it should have been delayed another month or two.  They already had the preorder money.  I'm sure the community would understand, given they'd be getting a more functioning product.

Delaying the whole module just because the AP mode is missing?? Are you out of your mind?
Sorry, but that's a pretty wild idea and unlike you I don't mind the missing AP very much and wouldn't have wanted to wait any longer for the module just because some people can't hover.
What stopped you from just waiting until the AP modes are implemented? No one forced you to buy into EA...

Edited April 11, 2022 by QuiGon

[LooseSeal]

1 hour ago, QuiGon said:

AFAIK they do, if activated at 4kts or less.

 

See, if that's true then maybe people should be using this time to learn how to do their own stable hover without AP.

I genuinely don't mind it currently. I never use the attitude hold, or feel that I need to. I love the fact that the IHADSS symbology, like the pitch ladder and horizon line, doesn't change when you look around, the way it does in a Hornet for example. If you're looking down at the screens or zoomed in, you can still very effectively keep track of whether you're maintaining a good attitude in the hover.

[Gunrun_KS]

On 4/6/2022 at 9:41 AM, LooseSeal said:

What is this 'hover hold' everyone is talking about? As stated above - there are altitude and attitude holds.

I'd be interested to find out from those in the know whether these two, when activated together in a pre-established hover, actually do hold the aircraft in a stable, stationary hover. And to what extent do we need to maneuver ourselves into a stationary hover prior to engaging them? Is it like the Ka-50 where we can get below a certain speed, activate them and the aircraft will stabilise itself down to 0kts? If not, I fear lots of people will come on here complaining about how they're still drifting around with the so-called "hover hold" enabled 

position, velocity and att

On 4/11/2022 at 7:12 AM, QuiGon said:

AFAIK they do, if activated at 4kts or less.

  

ED planned to have both AP hold modes available at EA release, but unfortunately the work on the underlying SCAS system turned out much more complicated than expected, so that they were't able to deliver the hold modes with the iniital EA release.
Wags talked about this somewhere in this interview IIRC:

0-5 knots should be position hold

[poochies]

old habits hard to break LB2 / Microprose Gunship /EEAH/  Arma 3 apache mod .... I got spoiled on auto hover ! Sorry mods mentioned the unmentionables ....but I do respect the challenge of maintaining a hover and while I can do it, I find it very very hard to maintain altitude , next thing you know after targeting some tanks I'm up 500 more feet ! The collective is sensitive , theres a sweet spot of just nudging the collective the torque drops fast and so do I