Afterburner on trapping or no?

[StandingCow]

I created this over on reddit and wanted to see what people here thought:

Just this weekend we were doing carrier traps and I noticed our flight lead didn't use afterburner when catching the wire, I joked with him that it was a cut pass, he said you don't use AB when trapping.... a few of us were rathen taken aback and were SURE that we were supposed to and in fact remembered Jello telling the story of his cut pass and how he didn't use AB. Even my twitch chat had a few people saying AB should be used.

Turns out we were totally wrong, I looked up videos of all sorts of carrier traps and AB was not engaged on trapping, in fact I think the Jello story was that he DID engage AB and that is why he got his cut pass. We looked up chuck's guide as well as official documentation and... other than extreme cases... no AB is to be used.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/uhx6o9/what_were_you_the_most_confidently_wrong_about_in/

Lex has a carrier trap video where he also says full mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GIW7ZVma0&t=759

So, anyone have a concrete answer on this? 

[Tholozor]

2 hours ago, StandingCow said:

Lex has a carrier trap video where he also says full mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GIW7ZVma0&t=759

MIL is full throttle without AB (military-rated thrust, or MRT as Lex says), MAX is full AB (maximum power).

[StandingCow]

22 minutes ago, Tholozor said:

MIL is full throttle without AB (military-rated thrust, or MRT as Lex says), MAX is full AB (maximum power).

Yep, agreed.  Some folks found a few videos where ABs appear to light up on carrier traps, but many think that's just the force of the trap putting them into AB by mistake.

[StandingCow]

Someone emailed Jello from the FPP on this as well:

“Military power. If you happen to go into afterburner, so be it, but afterburner is not required.”

Edited May 5, 2022 by StandingCow

[Swift.]

1 hour ago, StandingCow said:

Someone emailed Jello from the FPP on this as well:

“Military power. If you happen to go into afterburner, so be it, but afterburner is not required.”

 

This was my understanding too, MRT is required, MAX isn't prohibited. For legacies that is.

iirc on Rhino, MAX is prohibited, but not so sure.

[pokeraccio]

7 hours ago, StandingCow said:

I created this over on reddit and wanted to see what people here thought:

Just this weekend we were doing carrier traps and I noticed our flight lead didn't use afterburner when catching the wire, I joked with him that it was a cut pass, he said you don't use AB when trapping.... a few of us were rathen taken aback and were SURE that we were supposed to and in fact remembered Jello telling the story of his cut pass and how he didn't use AB. Even my twitch chat had a few people saying AB should be used.

Turns out we were totally wrong, I looked up videos of all sorts of carrier traps and AB was not engaged on trapping, in fact I think the Jello story was that he DID engage AB and that is why he got his cut pass. We looked up chuck's guide as well as official documentation and... other than extreme cases... no AB is to be used.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/uhx6o9/what_were_you_the_most_confidently_wrong_about_in/

Lex has a carrier trap video where he also says full mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GIW7ZVma0&t=759

So, anyone have a concrete answer on this? 

Normal Procedures states MIL (military thrust) power application. So it is reasonable to think that it is certified to be like that.

I believe the use of MAX is not forbidden, but it is not advisable do to controllability issues in case of engine flame out, as it implies high asymmetric thrust management on a critical AOA/speed situation, seems that benefits are less than troubles.

[StandingCow]

Just now, pokeraccio said:

Normal Procedures states MIL (military thrust) power application. So it is reasonable to think that it is certified to be like that.

I believe the use of MAX is not forbidden, but it is not advisable do to controllability issues in case of engine flame out, as it implies high asymmetric thrust management on a critical AOA/speed situation, seems that benefits are less than troubles.

Yea, even worse on planes like the Tomcat. 

[pokeraccio]

4 hours ago, StandingCow said:

Yep, agreed.  Some folks found a few videos where ABs appear to light up on carrier traps, but many think that's just the force of the trap putting them into AB by mistake.

I think the MAX power application about all the videos we have access to, are due to this.

[Dragon1-1]

I wonder if this was part of the reason why on the Tomcat, you need to shift the throttles sideways to go into AB, not just apply extra force. 

[AG-51_Sabot]

If you're coming in at your Trap weight, the need to go to full AB is pointless and waste fuel that you may need for a 2nd Bolter

[pokeraccio]

On 5/5/2022 at 12:46 PM, Dragon1-1 said:

I wonder if this was part of the reason why on the Tomcat, you need to shift the throttles sideways to go into AB, not just apply extra force. 

this make sense.

[Razor18]

I guess not just naval aircraft, but on every aircraft with a reheat, you have some kind of a physical boundary on the throttle you have to to overcome to switch to AB. Moving sideway, or some kind of detent or finger lift, to know, when you switch AB even if you are outside of the cockpit, in a dogfight for instance.

[Aphelion079]

3 hours ago, starmoondz22 said:

If Star Citizen runs fine without the overclock then I would suggest removing the overclock completely for now and start with just increasing the core clock until it becomes unstable and then dropping it back down 10 or so MHz. Once stable, repeat with memory but I do know that Star Citizen can be fussy with GPU memory overclocks.

Brother I think you're on the wrong forum? lol