Hobel Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 It seems that marking with the lazer in Apache is limited to 9999m. Other users pointed out that this is probably a bug and that the laser is quite suitable for marking over 10km. up to 15km relates to: below 9999m.trk above 9999m.trk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradmick Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Max range for the laser is 9999m, this is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Raptor9 Posted May 15, 2022 ED Team Share Posted May 15, 2022 Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters. For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout. 4 2 Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scaley Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Raptor9 said: Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters. For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout. Yep, indeed the bug that's being reported is that the Apache laser has it's "magic end" range set to 9999m (in common with the Combined Arms laser) instead of the usual DCS laser end range which I think is still 15,000m. I suppose "not sensible difference in physics" is more accurate than "bug" in the strictest sense of the word. 476th vFighter Group Main Page -- YouTube -- Discord Scaley AV YouTube - More videos from the 476th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobel Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Raptor9: Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters. For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout. Exactly that thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMoGas Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 It would be nice to be able to designate for someones else's weapons or LST outside of the 9999m software limit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foka Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 It's this same with Combined Arms JTAC - on 9999 laser magically stops working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Low Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 My humble , uneducated guess is the laser effective range is accidentally tied in the code directly to the digital display limitation rather than having separate values: one for the readout and one for effective range (which should be 15km to match other laser logic on dcs) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Low Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Bump. This is marked “correct as is” but it is not correct. Digital range read out is correct. Effective range of the LRFD is not correct. Effective range should match DCS global range limitations of roughly 15km. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REPTAR Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Good find! Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was a little odd that the laser beam magically stopped at exactly 9999 meters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge55 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I think it is "correct as is", the digital read-out ends at 9999. They are not saying the laser beam is ending at 9999 m, it still goes on for a distance. That is how I understand it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 10700K OC 5.1GHZ / 500GB SSD & 1TB M:2 & 4TB HDD / MSI Gaming MB / GTX 1080 / 32GB RAM / Win 10 / TrackIR 4 Pro / CH Pedals / TM Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMoGas Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 No the laser stops at 9999m, that is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REPTAR Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Sarge55 said: I think it is "correct as is", the digital read-out ends at 9999. They are not saying the laser beam is ending at 9999 m, it still goes on for a distance. That is how I understand it. The original post here is about the laser energy specifically stopping at 9999 meters in DCS world. This isn't being simulated correctly, and that is the issue being brought up by the OP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/21/2022 at 11:34 PM, REPTAR said: The original post here is about the laser energy specifically stopping at 9999 meters in DCS world. This isn't being simulated correctly, and that is the issue being brought up by the OP. Exactly, and this is not correct as is @BIGNEWY: On 5/15/2022 at 8:06 PM, Raptor9 said: Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters. For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout. 1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted May 23, 2022 ED Team Share Posted May 23, 2022 I will revisit this issue thanks 1 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted May 23, 2022 ED Team Share Posted May 23, 2022 My bad, search skills failed me. This has already been reported internally. thanks 1 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Low Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 34 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: My bad, search skills failed me. This has already been reported internally. thanks Thanks, BN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Low Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 I’m changing my position on this report. After speaking with some pilots they educated me on Apache laser having less strength than a jet laser, that environment would play an issue, and also training protocols. So a 9999 designate limit matching the TSD makes enough sense as it should be less than the 15km jet designation. Apologies for bumping this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 If anything, it's the 15km designation limit for jets that's too short. You can designate from much further away, weather permitting. The laser doesn't magically end, what happens is that its strength is attenuated by atmosphere and the spot size increases, making it less bright (since energy is spread over a larger area). The former effect is greatly affected by weather, the latter less so. Ranges should depend on pod being used, for instance the Sniper can designate from 30+kft, with slant ranges far exceeding 15km. The Apache, not necessarily, but it should go beyond the ranging limit, since for ranging, you need the laser to not only hit, but to come back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobel Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 vor 3 Stunden schrieb S. Low: I’m changing my position on this report. After speaking with some pilots they educated me on Apache laser having less strength than a jet laser, that environment would play an issue, and also training protocols. So a 9999 designate limit matching the TSD makes enough sense as it should be less than the 15km jet designation. Apologies for bumping this But then you also have to reevaluate helicopters like the Gazelle or the KA50, which also have exactly 15km range. I think 15km is a good compromise for the current point in time @Dragon 1-1 has also already summarized this quite well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobel Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 i don't know if you've noticed, but the laser now has a range of 15km. buddy lasing with other apaches is now very possible, one apache is in safe range and lase, the another is closer and behind cover and can fire. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I’ll go test that later. Thanks for highlighting System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakum Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Wow! good to know! Thanks Windows 10 Pro - 64 Bit / ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming / AMD 7800X3D / G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB DDR5 6000 Ram / SSD M.2 SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB / MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM Liquid X 24G / SteelSeries Arctis 7 Headset /LG-Ultragear 38" IPS LED Ultrawide HD Monitor (3840 x 1600) / Track IR4 / Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals / Virpil HOTAS VPC Constellation ALPHA-R & VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbu1 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Thanks for the Info! Sounds great! DCS MT : 2.9.4.53707 Modules: UH-1H - SA342 - KA-50 BS3 - MI-24P - MI-8MTV2 - AH-64D - CH-47F(Preorder) - UH-60L(Mod) - A-10CII - F-16C - F/A-18C - FC3 -Combined Arms - Supercarrier - NTTR - Normandy2.0 - Persian Gulf - Syria - SA - Sinai - Afghanistan(Preorder) — Waiting for: OH-58D - BO-105 - AH-1G/F(Mod) - OH-6(Mod) - Kola - Australia - Iraq DCS-Client: 10900K, 64GB 3600, RTX3090, 500GB M2 NVMe(win10), 2TB M2 NVMe(DCS), VR VivePro2, PointCTRL, VaicomPro, Wacom Intuos S with VRK v2Beta DCS-DServer: 11600KF, 32GB 3600, GTX1080, 1TB M2 NVMe(win10), 2TB M2 NVMe(DCSDServer), DCS Olympus Simpit: NLR Flightsim Pro, TM Warthog(40cm Ext., Dampers) + Throttle, Komodo Pedals with Dampers, VPC Rotorplus+CBkit+AH-64D Grip, NLR HF8, Buttkicker (3*MiniConcert), TotalControls AH64D MPD‘s, TM 2*MFD‘s, Streamdecks (1*32,3*15,1*6), VPC CP#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobel Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 The display limit is of course still 9999, but you can see on the TAD page when you have reached the 15km limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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