fixed 9999m Lasing limit

[Hobel]

It seems that marking with the lazer in Apache is limited to 9999m. Other users pointed out that this is probably a bug and that the laser is quite suitable for marking over 10km. up to 15km

 

relates to:

 

below 9999m.trk above 9999m.trk

[bradmick]

Max range for the laser is 9999m, this is correct.

[Raptor9]

Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters.  For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout.

[Scaley]

8 minutes ago, Raptor9 said:

Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters.  For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout.

Yep, indeed the bug that's being reported is that the Apache laser has it's "magic end" range set to 9999m (in common with the Combined Arms laser) instead of the usual DCS laser end range which I think is still 15,000m. I suppose "not sensible difference in physics" is more accurate than "bug" in the strictest sense of the word.

[Hobel]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Raptor9:

Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters.  For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout.

Exactly that thanks.

[NeMoGas]

It would be nice to be able to designate for someones else's weapons or LST outside of the 9999m software limit. 

[Foka]

It's this same with Combined Arms JTAC - on 9999 laser magically stops working.

[S. Low]

My humble , uneducated guess is the laser effective range is accidentally tied in the code directly to the digital display limitation rather than having separate values: one for the readout and one for effective range (which should be 15km to match other laser logic on dcs)

[S. Low]

Bump. This is marked “correct as is” but it is not correct. Digital range read out is correct. Effective range of the LRFD is not correct. Effective range should match DCS global range limitations of roughly 15km.

[REPTAR]

Good find! Glad I'm not the only one who thought it was a little odd that the laser beam magically stopped at exactly 9999 meters 

[Sarge55]

I think it is "correct as is", the digital read-out ends at 9999.  They are not saying the laser beam is ending at 9999 m, it still goes on for a distance.

That is how I understand it.

[NeMoGas]

No the laser stops at 9999m, that is the issue.

[REPTAR]

3 hours ago, Sarge55 said:

I think it is "correct as is", the digital read-out ends at 9999.  They are not saying the laser beam is ending at 9999 m, it still goes on for a distance.

That is how I understand it.

The original post here is about the laser energy specifically stopping at 9999 meters in DCS world. This isn't being simulated correctly, and that is the issue being brought up by the OP.

[QuiGon]

On 5/21/2022 at 11:34 PM, REPTAR said:

The original post here is about the laser energy specifically stopping at 9999 meters in DCS world. This isn't being simulated correctly, and that is the issue being brought up by the OP.

Exactly, and this is not correct as is @BIGNEWY:

On 5/15/2022 at 8:06 PM, Raptor9 said:

Based on the linked conversation from the other thread, I believe the OP is saying that the laser should be able to physically designate a target for other platforms or munitions out to the maximum DCS laser range of ~8NM/15km, even though the DCS AH-64D only processes the return to a maximum range of 9999 meters.  For example, a GBU-12 should be able to guide to the laser designation from an AH-64D that is 12km away from the target, even though the player(s) in the AH-64D only see "9999" in their range readout.

 

[BIGNEWY]

I will revisit this issue 

thanks

[BIGNEWY]

My bad, search skills failed me.

This has already been reported internally. 

thanks

[S. Low]

34 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

My bad, search skills failed me.

This has already been reported internally. 

thanks

Thanks, BN

[S. Low]

I’m changing my position on this report. After speaking with some pilots they educated me on Apache laser having less strength than a jet laser, that environment would play an issue, and also training protocols. So a 9999 designate limit matching the TSD makes enough sense as it should be less than the 15km jet designation. 
 

Apologies for bumping this

[Dragon1-1]

If anything, it's the 15km designation limit for jets that's too short. You can designate from much further away, weather permitting. The laser doesn't magically end, what happens is that its strength is attenuated by atmosphere and the spot size increases, making it less bright (since energy is spread over a larger area). The former effect is greatly affected by weather, the latter less so. Ranges should depend on pod being used, for instance the Sniper can designate from 30+kft, with slant ranges far exceeding 15km. The Apache, not necessarily, but it should go beyond the ranging limit, since for ranging, you need the laser to not only hit, but to come back.

[Hobel]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb S. Low:

I’m changing my position on this report. After speaking with some pilots they educated me on Apache laser having less strength than a jet laser, that environment would play an issue, and also training protocols. So a 9999 designate limit matching the TSD makes enough sense as it should be less than the 15km jet designation. 
 

Apologies for bumping this

But then you also have to reevaluate helicopters like the Gazelle or the KA50, which also have exactly 15km range.

 

I think 15km is a good compromise for the current point in time

@Dragon 1-1  has also already summarized this quite well

[Hobel]

i don't know if you've noticed, but the laser now has a range of 15km.

buddy lasing with other apaches is now very possible, one apache is in safe range and lase, the another is closer and behind cover and can fire.

[Mr_sukebe]

I’ll go test that later.

Thanks for highlighting 

[Fakum]

Wow! good to know! Thanks

[corbu1]

Thanks for the Info! Sounds great! 

[Hobel]

The display limit is of course still 9999, but you can see on the TAD page when you have reached the 15km limit.