Delta59R Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 It seems like after the update the 64 has become very wobbly at higher speeds or when the stick is pushed far forward. It starts to oscillate back and forth and wants to roll. Is this normal? I thought there was something wrong with my joystick or the curve was messed up it was so bad but watching the digital stick it stays solid yet the heli wants to do a barrel roll. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Maybe you are flying too fast? What was your speed when the roll occured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, razo+r said: Maybe you are flying too fast? What was your speed when the roll occured? Above 130 knots it gets wobbly, clean, 30% fuel, freezing air temps, (this is a mission I created). However, when I go to the instant action and choose the start from runway mission, in that mission the heli is pretty stable at 140+.. So maybe it has somthin to do with the loadout in the mission I created?? too light?? idk Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgillers3 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Delta59R said: It seems like after the update the 64 has become very wobbly at higher speeds or when the stick is pushed far forward. It starts to oscillate back and forth and wants to roll. Is this normal? I thought there was something wrong with my joystick or the curve was messed up it was so bad but watching the digital stick it stays solid yet the heli wants to do a barrel roll. I think it's the sas, and the sas is wip, sas is probably oscillating, happens to me as well, if you put up the show controls indicator you'll see the green plus go back and forth, tends to happen when you're making large inputs and it tends to oscillate back and forth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 minute ago, kgillers3 said: I think it's the sas, and the sas is wip, sas is probably oscillating, happens to me as well, if you put up the show controls indicator you'll see the green plus go back and forth, tends to happen when you're making large inputs and it tends to oscillate back and forth. What's "sas" and "wip"? Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgillers3 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 stability augmentation system, work in progress. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta59R Posted May 14, 2022 Author Share Posted May 14, 2022 37 minutes ago, kgillers3 said: stability augmentation system, work in progress. 10-4 ill check it out thx! Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 512 m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h3pilot Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Is there any more info on this issue? I'm seeing significant left roll when applying forward pitch on the cyclic. The control position indicator shows the cyclic is going straight forward, no left movement. I do not see a corresponding right roll with aft cyclic, though there may be a very small amount of right roll. It seems to be happening at all speeds. (Not just high speed.) Also happens with different joysticks, so not a hardware issue. I also think the yaw and roll are very unstable and have a strong tendency to oscillate. Worse than SAS off in a real helicopter. Happy flying! ASUS Z170I PRO GAMING | CORE I7 6700K 4.2GHZ | 32GB DDR4 2400MHZ | GEFORCE GTX980Ti 6GB | SAMSUNG 950 Pro M.2 512 GB + MICRON M600 1TB SSD + WD 3TB HD | WIN 10 64BIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd1212 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, h3pilot said: I also think the yaw and roll are very unstable and have a strong tendency to oscillate. Did you install today's patch yet? I feel there has been some improvement with low speed stability, especially with regard to yaw. Landing on the spot I intended to is much easier. Still seeing the left roll when giving it forward stick, though, especially at speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Low Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Left roll with forward cyclic is a known FM bug. They have lots of reports on it and SMEs. Just gotta play waiting game now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macedk Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 So I'm still a flying god..phew... 1 OS: Win10 home 64bit*MB: Asus Strix Z270F/ CPU: Intel I7 7700k /Ram:32gb_ddr4 GFX: Nvidia Asus 1080 8Gb Mon: Asus vg2448qe 24" Disk: SSD Stick: TM Warthog #1400/Saitek pro pedals/TIR5/TM MFDs [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rav3nX Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) Hey all; (And Devs) For what it helps; I too came on here to post about this; I do fly twin engine helicopters with all the SAS goodies (irl) and this roll with forward cyclic is defiantly attention getting as not normal behavior. It does seem to sometimes also roll right, though not as often; although I cant seem to put my finger on what makes the difference; flying out of trim or pre-rolling doesn't seem to make a difference as to which way the aircraft rolls. (Although mostly left) I can put my two cents as someone who flies; currently with the ATT Hold/SAS collective issues aside the flight model feels...mostly fantastic; however in the cruise it seems; not just in the last 10% of forward cyclic; in the cruise in a normal forward cyclic position (3/4 fwd?) the roll does become more sensitive; the net result is in the cruise its very difficult to hold a roll attitude. I cant remember the last time flying a 412 level I had to think about the cyclic; but cruising around at this just holding a level attitude at ~100kts + is ALOT more work than it should be. Pitch seems totally fine. A lot of these things are very subtle but to the practiced hand it has a devastating effect on the enjoyability of the product I am sorry to say. I'm sure we will get there Edited September 1, 2022 by Rav3nX dum dum left/right mixup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poptart Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Seem like they are trying to model retreating blade stall but the amount of force on the rotor is way too high (I should not be on the verge of doing a barrel roll when retreating blade stall happens. The helicopter should buffet and pitch up.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rav3nX Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 8 hours ago, Poptart said: Seem like they are trying to model retreating blade stall but the amount of force on the rotor is way too high (I should not be on the verge of doing a barrel roll when retreating blade stall happens. The helicopter should buffet and pitch up.) Retreating blade stall is purely a function of airspeed; it will happen 130kts+ (depending on aircraft etc) although absolutely wont happen in a high hover nose over or low airspeeds. (Without going into the 'oh but what if I.....complicated fringe cases.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradmick Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) >180 to 190knots in the Apache, it’s not RBS. And typically RBS will occur on its own, not you applying forward cyclic. I’d have to further calculate to be more exact. Edited September 2, 2022 by bradmick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agg Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Are there any updates on this, as I for one am certainly still experiencing this bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger-II Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 I get roll instabilty when lifting off, too. Current build. Not my stick/controls. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 6 hours ago, Tiger-II said: I get roll instabilty when lifting off, too. Current build. Not my stick/controls. Do you have a track for everyone to have a look at? 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiki Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 I would say it's PIO. It is quite sensitive in roll axis with no curves, full saturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalrockerlion62 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 5/14/2022 at 4:37 PM, Delta59R said: It seems like after the update the 64 has become very wobbly at higher speeds or when the stick is pushed far forward. It starts to oscillate back and forth and wants to roll. Is this normal? I thought there was something wrong with my joystick or the curve was messed up it was so bad but watching the digital stick it stays solid yet the heli wants to do a barrel roll. Is anyone else having this issue? I have noticed with power on and F14 parked the left stabilator is drooping. when flying the pitch is impossible to nearly impossible with many inputs in the stick to hold the 15 AOA on approach. You can't even use the ACLS system without excessive rolling to the left out it rolls to the left and you lose right away. I will revert to an older version to see if the issue goes away, I have the current version from the information posted on that current version of web-sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlomo1933 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Am 5.3.2023 um 20:49 schrieb metalrockerlion62: Is anyone else having this issue? I have noticed with power on and F14 parked the left stabilator is drooping. when flying the pitch is impossible to nearly impossible with many inputs in the stick to hold the 15 AOA on approach. You can't even use the ACLS system without excessive rolling to the left out it rolls to the left and you lose right away. I will revert to an older version to see if the issue goes away, I have the current version from the information posted on that current version of web-sight Wrong forum, pls post this in the F14 bug forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOG Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 After doing some testing with the apache I started to get this strange left roll when pushing the cyclic forward only on speeds above around 70 kias i also did turn off each and everyone of the sas channels even 1 by 1 and nothing fixed so if this issue is related to the sas it cant be solved by turning it off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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