Radar functions

[YoYo]

I dont see info about radar in F1 (or didnt notice it) here. Do you have any info about radar here? It was used for A2G and A2A? Looks quite similar like in MiG-19P so I think it will have near the same functions. Maybe any video (if it is finished and if it is working) about radar functions in DCS F1? Will it work from the beginning (EA)?

[StarLiner]

The Cyrano IV IVM Radar was supposedly quite interesting. It had both A2G and A2A modes, Track while scan, and some form of look-down filter using MTI. It had three different azimuth modes, iirc a 60, 30, and 10 degree mode but I could be misremembering numbers. It also had no form of IFF interrogator outside of some specific model. It had both low and high altitude modes of operation.

 

How much of this is modeled we don't know yet, Arges has been tight lipped about the radar. Hyped to see what kind of modeling they do.

Edited May 27, 2022 by StarLiner

[YoYo]

6 hours ago, StarLiner said:

The Cyrano IV IVM Radar was supposedly quite interesting. It had both A2G and A2A modes, Track while scan, and some form of look-down filter using MTI. It had three different azimuth modes, iirc a 60, 30, and 10 degree mode but I could be misremembering numbers. It also had no form of IFF interrogator outside of some specific model. It had both low and high altitude modes of operation.

 

How much of this is modeled we don't know yet, Arges has been tight lipped about the radar. Hyped to see what kind of modeling they do.

 

Thank you. In A2G mode does it have any kind of ground mapping?

[IvanK]

Yes Basic AG mapping exists in the cyrano IV

Reasonable CYRANO IV Radar manual in English here:

https://dlscrib.com/cyrano-iv-airborne-fire-control-radar-utilization-manual-thomson-csf_58b1f5516454a7ab10b1e966_pdf.html

Edited May 27, 2022 by IvanK

[YoYo]

On 5/28/2022 at 1:31 AM, IvanK said:

Yes Basic AG mapping exists in the cyrano IV

Reasonable CYRANO IV Radar manual in English here:

https://dlscrib.com/cyrano-iv-airborne-fire-control-radar-utilization-manual-thomson-csf_58b1f5516454a7ab10b1e966_pdf.html

 

Thx, good to know! I hope we will see soon some of kind of tutorials / videos about it in DCS.

[Harlikwin]

Really the main issue is how well/badly they end up modeling the lookdown performance of the Cyrano, which reputedly was not very useful. Same for the R530's and even the Super 530F in terms of shoot-down performance.

 

[turkeydriver]

I think it will be almost a non issue- there will be rudimentary look-down, little no shoot-down.   The threat during the radar's design was high and fast not low.  As long as I can track transports or large low aircraft not to far below my altitude Ill be happy.  

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, turkeydriver said:

I think it will be almost a non issue- there will be rudimentary look-down, little no shoot-down.   The threat during the radar's design was high and fast not low.  As long as I can track transports or large low aircraft not to far below my altitude Ill be happy.  

Thats roughly how I understand it "should" work. How it "will work" well we don't know yet. I mean its LD radar used MTI, which is a whole lot less good than PD in that dept. And yes, the main point of the Super530 was to shoot up at high and fast bomber/fighter threats. Annd. F14's...

Edited June 5, 2022 by Harlikwin

[CrazyGman]

At this point we still need to see "Anything" regarding the radar in operation. It's been over a year since they initially said they wanted to put the Mirage in early access and we don't have so much as a screen shot of the radar in any mode.

Edited June 13, 2022 by CrazyGman

[Harlikwin]

16 hours ago, CrazyGman said:

At this point we still need to see "Anything" regarding the radar in operation. It's been over a year since they initially said they wanted to put the Mirage in early access and we don't have so much as a screen shot of the radar in any mode.

 

I did see one of the radar running when it was parked on the ground, with clutter taking up half the screen.

 

[Badger1-1]

4 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

I did see one of the radar running when it was parked on the ground, with clutter taking up half the screen.

 

Pics or didnt happen

 

[Harlikwin]

13 minutes ago, Badger1-1 said:

Pics or didnt happen

 

Didn't save it. So I guess not. 

[rkk01]

Radar vid online now…
 

A2G

Edited June 17, 2022 by rkk01

[YoYo]

2 hours ago, rkk01 said:

Radar vid online now…
 

A2G

 

I saw it, yep, graet news!!! So looks its close that I was thinking. Maybe July. 

Edited June 17, 2022 by YoYo

[OpticFlow]

On 5/24/2022 at 10:02 PM, YoYo said:

I dont see info about radar in F1 (or didnt notice it) here. Do you have any info about radar here? It was used for A2G and A2A? Looks quite similar like in MiG-19P so I think it will have near the same functions. Maybe any video (if it is finished and if it is working) about radar functions in DCS F1? Will it work from the beginning (EA)?

The radar on that picture is Cyrano II from Mirage IIIE, the label on it is wrong.

Cyrano IV on F1 looks like this:

[YoYo]

Im curious that this radar of F1 will show ground level objects (like targets: ground vehicles or ships). I think it should be but Im not sure, or only ground mapping? Perhaps his working would be quite similar like in Viggen?

Example vid:

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by YoYo

[MYSE1234]

3 hours ago, YoYo said:

Im curious that this radar of F1 will show ground level objects (like targets: ground vehicles or ships). I think it should be but Im not sure, or only ground mapping? Perhaps his working would be quite similar like in Viggen?

Example vid:

 

 

I'm pretty sure the Viggen's radar overperform a lot when it comes to mapping the ground, and ground vehicles. To me the video released yesterday of the F1's ground radar in DCS looks closer to what is seen in real videos of the Viggen's radar.

There are two more bits showing the radar later in the video, other than the first one that is time stamped.
(First part is showing the island of Gotland from the north, and part of northern Öland, flying south. The later two parts is of the Gdańsk Bay from two slightly different views from the north(east).)

 

[TLTeo]

I guess it depends on what the radar gain and scale is like. If all you have available is a logarithmic gain then it won't be nearly as good as the Viggen (which definitely over-performs because DCSism), if you have a linear scale as well it may be comparable.

[YoYo]

Btw. few more pictures. As you can see, the tube will be removable too.

Edited June 18, 2022 by YoYo

[turkeydriver]

The Viggen was a very high speed low-level striker first, by design.  Its radar was designed for that mission specifically- not for finding air targets.  Its not a simple process of "modes" and scan width.   The F1 and Cyrano were optimized for interception- mostly for high and fast bombers.   The striker role came second.   I very much expect an AJ-37 Viggen off the line to have a far superior ground attack radar with better resolution than the Mirage F1.  I don't know how well the F1Ms ground attack modes will work, but a Viggen should trash everything else in the 80s we have except the A-6.  Its radar does not have a plethera of additional modes but it does what it was made to do very well.

[kontiuka]

51 minutes ago, YoYo said:

Btw. few more pictures. As you can see, the tube will removable too.

 

 

 

According to Red Kite, the tube will be removed at night by default.  I assume you can ask the ground crew to install it or remove it.

[twistking]

is the static on the AA radar somewhat "simulated" or is it just a pre-baked effect?

[turkeydriver]

It’s a hood

[YoYo]

10 hours ago, kontiuka said:

According to Red Kite, the tube will be removed at night by default.  I assume you can ask the ground crew to install it or remove it.

Or by click on it maybe too.

Edited June 19, 2022 by YoYo

[Vatikus]

I hope there will be better CRT display simulation as currently looking at the video and screenshots, lack of it makes it feel too cartoonish ...