Dragon1-1 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 You don't sit inside the AMRAAM. ED has enough information to make both the AMRAAM and the R-77. The difference is, the launcher. They do have information about what the US fighters display when they launch the AMRAAM, how they're flown and what all the MFDs do. They don't have these for MiG-29SM. Hence, we might get an AMRAAM-equipped Viper, but sure as death we won't get a MiG-29SM anytime soon. Unless of course, there's suddenly a new government in Russia that decides it doesn't care for these things being secret anymore (lost of people hoping for that, to be sure, for more than one reason...). So yeah, for now, the 70s will have to do. Grow out your moustache, put on your HGU and toss your favorite disco record on the turntable, because we're gonna be flying like it's the 70s! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okopanja Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said: Unless of course, there's suddenly a new government in Russia that decides it doesn't care for these things being secret anymore (lost of people hoping for that, to be sure, for more than one reason...). With each day more and more information is becoming available on the missiles and their platforms. So if the mod creators can do this, ED should be able as well. So luck of information becomes less and less the factor. Also note that recently Russia's government published the video with uncensored HUD showing the launch of 77. Even that prevailing opinions here in the forums that old 29s frames can not be upgraded with newer radars and missiles, proved to be misguided. 3 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said: So yeah, for now, the 70s will have to do. Grow out your moustache, put on your HGU and toss your favorite disco record on the turntable, because we're gonna be flying like it's the 70s! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, okopanja said: So if the mod creators can do this, ED should be able as well. Lots of users think like that yet we don't have modern red aircraft even in plans. So either follow conspiracy theory or accept most obvious reasons - they can't inspite they really want to. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, okopanja said: So if the mod creators can do this, ED should be able as well. Except that mod creators can take liberties, because they don't charge money, so people can't complain that something is wrong with the mod they didn't pay for. Modders can do whatever they want, but ED needs to stay true to actually simulating the aircraft they make. That means not everything can happen. There's more to an aircraft than a HUD video. There are MFD pages. ED operates on an "all or nothing" basis. Either we get an aircraft fully simulated, with almost all its quirks, or we don't get the aircraft. Maybe in the future, particularly if Russia gets a less boneheaded government out of the current fracas. It's true that information is slowly trickling down. However, it's also about the government allowing them to make the aircraft in full fidelity, which the current government doesn't like to allow. Even the MiG-23 was made without going through them, someone on the team had connections to a country to which they were exported. Currently, working with the Russian government on simulating their fighters is like squeezing oil from a stone, to borrow a Russian expression. According to people working on the other sim, even WWII fighters can be troublesome, presumably more because of powertripping (or bribe-fishing) bureaucratic peons rather than any real reason. If there is an opportunity, they'll make it, but so far, there hasn't been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evoman Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 In conclusion its all about what connections or influence there might be with Russian officials to get whats necessary to make a full fidelity simulation of anything even if its just missiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, okopanja said: Can we have it for AMRAAM? Eagle feels they have enough for the AMRAAM. unless you are asking for an AI asset the issue isn't the R-77 missile it is the MiG-29SM launching it. I would love to have the latest Russian and Chinese aircraft in DCS even if they are just ai assets and mods. I also want aircraft from the 50's , 60's and 70's Edited June 24, 2022 by upyr1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said: So yeah, for now, the 70s will have to do. Grow out your moustache, put on your HGU and toss your favorite disco record on the turntable, because we're gonna be flying like it's the 70s! Groovy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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