roobarbjapan Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) As the title, this is one for the guys more knowledgeable than myself. Did the F-14 ever fly with the AIM-7P and if so will we get it along with the hornet in the update? Edited June 3, 2022 by roobarbjapan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near_blind Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Seems like it could to me. Whether or not we'll get it this patch? no clue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobarbjapan Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, near_blind said: Seems like it could to me. Whether or not we'll get it this patch? no clue. I came across this same document too but was hoping for something a little more concrete. Thank you though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Yes, it did carry it, and yes, it will get the aim7P in DCS, but not with this patch but the subsequent one. It was a bit too tight for us to implement it in time. 8 6 Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q3ark Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 What improvement does the AIM-7P have over the M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comstedt86 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Q3ark said: What improvement does the AIM-7P have over the M? IRL improved electronics, improved guidance via link & inertial iirc and a new radar fuze. All in all improvement vs small and low targets. How this translates to DCS? Most likely copy paste 7M. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSplayer Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Comstedt86 said: IRL improved electronics, improved guidance via link & inertial iirc and a new radar fuze. All in all improvement vs small and low targets. How this translates to DCS? Most likely copy paste 7M. Maybe that new improved guidance via datalink and INS could allow for you to lose lock and then pick it back up and the Sparrow would keep tracking without missing a beat. -Tinkerer, Certified F-14 and AIM-54 Nut | Discord: @dsplayer Setup: i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB 3066Mhz, Lots of Storage, Saitek/Logitech X56 HOTAS, TrackIR + TrackClipPro Modules: F-14, F/A-18, JF-17, F-16C, Mirage 2000C, FC3, F-5E, Mi-24P, AJS-37, AV-8B, A-10C II, AH-64D, MiG-21bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, P-51D, Mirage F1, L-39, C-101, SA342M, Ka-50 III, Supercarrier, F-15E Maps: Caucasus, Marianas, South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, Syria, Nevada Mods I've Made: F-14 Factory Clean Cockpit Mod | Modern F-14 Weapons Mod | Iranian F-14 Weapons Pack | F-14B Nozzle Percentage Mod + Label Fix | AIM-23 Hawk Mod for F-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 That's already possible with FLOOD mode, and should be possible with any Fox 1, as long as the target is within the seeker limits by the time it's reacquired. They home on reflected radar energy, and will go after any reflection they see (indeed, the Shrike was just a Sparrow tuned to home on SAM radars instead of reflections from fighter ones). That said, it might fly a more efficient trajectory, similar to the AMRAAM. But beyond that, the improvements are not something a pilot would normally notice, and aren't a massive upgrade anyway. They're certainly not better enough to upgrade the remaining stock of 7Ms, instead they're replacing the older version as it's being depleted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said: They home on reflected radar energy, and will go after any reflection they see... Well, not any, limited to set channel and frequency afaik. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M HOTAS FC3, F-14A/B, F-15E CA SC NTTR, PG, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) Well, obviously they only go after the energy they're tuned to, which is typically the launch platform's radar. Should have perhaps qualified they home on any ownship radar energy they see reflected. Otherwise they wouldn't be very usable. Edited June 3, 2022 by Dragon1-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roobarbjapan Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 7 hours ago, IronMike said: Yes, it did carry it, and yes, it will get the aim7P in DCS, but not with this patch but the subsequent one. It was a bit too tight for us to implement it in time. Many thanks for the reply and news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphael Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Would it be launched with the Persian cats? I recall they were sold the AIM-7Ps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlarSnow Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Iran was only ever sold Aim-7E's, The AIM-7P was a early to mid 90's upgrade. The Iranian revolution occured 15 years before it was ever in service and Iran never even recieved AIM-7F's........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaphael Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 You're right, I got confused with the models. I wonder then would the 7E's be available when the Iranian Tomcats are released then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlarSnow Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 7E's are already in game. I'm not entirely sure why Heatblur hasn't implemented it, and I have no idea what differentiates it from the AIM-7F in game currently. There were several variants of the AIM-7E, and the Tomcat was only compatible with the AIM-7E-4, the AIM-7E and AIM-7E-2 and AIM-7E-3 were Phantom only. The Iranian Sparrows were either AIM-7E-2's or AIM-7E-3's for their Phantoms IIRC. Either way they weren't originally compatible with the F-14, not that they couldn't have eventually modified them or the AWG-9 to support them. Iranian Tomcats originally were only compatible with AIM-54A's and whatever variant of sidewinder the Iranian's received. Anything else is a later modification. Edited June 4, 2022 by KlarSnow 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Can't the F-14 carry the AIM-7E already? I'm pretty sure I saw it in the loadout options, but it's been a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Nop, currently it carries the F, M and MH. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9thHunt Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/4/2022 at 3:26 PM, Dragon1-1 said: Can't the F-14 carry the AIM-7E already? I'm pretty sure I saw it in the loadout options, but it's been a while. They used -7Es during some of the early flight tests, because they were cheaper then the -7Fs which were brand new at the time. Prototype #6 was using -7Es during the inverted drop test that led to its crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 There was a -7E meant specifically for the Tomcat's radar, so I think it was used operationally. I think those used in early tests were still the version for the Phantom (as it was just separation, they wouldn't need to guide). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSplayer Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 10:33 AM, 9thHunt said: They used -7Es during some of the early flight tests, because they were cheaper then the -7Fs which were brand new at the time. Prototype #6 was using -7Es during the inverted drop test that led to its crash. On 6/30/2022 at 10:36 AM, Dragon1-1 said: There was a -7E meant specifically for the Tomcat's radar, so I think it was used operationally. I think those used in early tests were still the version for the Phantom (as it was just separation, they wouldn't need to guide). AIM-7Es (specifically AIM-7E-4) were definitely in service with the F-14 and coexisted with the AIM-7F. Currently the F-14 does have the lines of codes in its Weapons.lua that include the options to mount the AIM-7E but the actual loadouts lua doesn't. Its sorta understandable considering the F-14s that we have now are later variants that wouldn't have used the AIM-7E-4s. Here's a picture of an F-14A mounting an AIM-7E, AIM-9D/G/Hs, and an AIM-54A Spoiler -Tinkerer, Certified F-14 and AIM-54 Nut | Discord: @dsplayer Setup: i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB 3066Mhz, Lots of Storage, Saitek/Logitech X56 HOTAS, TrackIR + TrackClipPro Modules: F-14, F/A-18, JF-17, F-16C, Mirage 2000C, FC3, F-5E, Mi-24P, AJS-37, AV-8B, A-10C II, AH-64D, MiG-21bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, P-51D, Mirage F1, L-39, C-101, SA342M, Ka-50 III, Supercarrier, F-15E Maps: Caucasus, Marianas, South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, Syria, Nevada Mods I've Made: F-14 Factory Clean Cockpit Mod | Modern F-14 Weapons Mod | Iranian F-14 Weapons Pack | F-14B Nozzle Percentage Mod + Label Fix | AIM-23 Hawk Mod for F-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtPappy Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 On 6/4/2022 at 8:02 AM, KlarSnow said: 7E's are already in game. I'm not entirely sure why Heatblur hasn't implemented it, and I have no idea what differentiates it from the AIM-7F in game currently. There were several variants of the AIM-7E, and the Tomcat was only compatible with the AIM-7E-4, the AIM-7E and AIM-7E-2 and AIM-7E-3 were Phantom only. The Iranian Sparrows were either AIM-7E-2's or AIM-7E-3's for their Phantoms IIRC. Either way they weren't originally compatible with the F-14, not that they couldn't have eventually modified them or the AWG-9 to support them. Iranian Tomcats originally were only compatible with AIM-54A's and whatever variant of sidewinder the Iranian's received. Anything else is a later modification. The AIM-7E series only have a 2.9 sec burn boost phase. The sustainer phase was first added on top of the boost motor with the AIM-7F, thus the AIM-7F has a significant range advantage over the AIM-7E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlarSnow Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 26 minutes ago, SgtPappy said: The AIM-7E series only have a 2.9 sec burn boost phase. The sustainer phase was first added on top of the boost motor with the AIM-7F, thus the AIM-7F has a significant range advantage over the AIM-7E. I'm aware of the differences between the missiles in real life, I'm specifically talking about in game. Does the AIM-7E have the worse motor? Or is it just an AIM-7F renamed with worse CCM rejection values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtPappy Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 9 hours ago, KlarSnow said: I'm aware of the differences between the missiles in real life, I'm specifically talking about in game. Does the AIM-7E have the worse motor? Or is it just an AIM-7F renamed with worse CCM rejection values. I am talking about just the game. In both the game and real life, both have the boost motor but only the AIM-7F and later variants have the sustain motor which lasts I think for 8 seconds and ignites immediately after the 2.9 second boost phase. I'm not sure about the CCM values, but the burn time isn't something that would just be a difference in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonFox Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 On 6/3/2022 at 11:46 AM, Comstedt86 said: IRL improved electronics, improved guidance via link & inertial iirc and a new radar fuze. All in all improvement vs small and low targets. How this translates to DCS? Most likely copy paste 7M. From what ED said, the AIM-7P only has a slightly larger warhead so it's basically a copy paste of the 7MH I assume performance wise. I do hope the Sparrow gets some attention as the 7M/MH seems to underperform compared to the RL counterpart as far as range. F/A-18C; A-10C; F-14B; Mirage 2000C; A-4E; F-16C; Flaming Cliffs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSplayer Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 hours ago, CarbonFox said: From what ED said, the AIM-7P only has a slightly larger warhead so it's basically a copy paste of the 7MH I assume performance wise. I do hope the Sparrow gets some attention as the 7M/MH seems to underperform compared to the RL counterpart as far as range. The 7P has that datalink guidance which allows for it to guide when the seeker itself doesn’t see the target. The warhead itself however is the same as all the other AIM-7s. -Tinkerer, Certified F-14 and AIM-54 Nut | Discord: @dsplayer Setup: i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB 3066Mhz, Lots of Storage, Saitek/Logitech X56 HOTAS, TrackIR + TrackClipPro Modules: F-14, F/A-18, JF-17, F-16C, Mirage 2000C, FC3, F-5E, Mi-24P, AJS-37, AV-8B, A-10C II, AH-64D, MiG-21bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, P-51D, Mirage F1, L-39, C-101, SA342M, Ka-50 III, Supercarrier, F-15E Maps: Caucasus, Marianas, South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, Syria, Nevada Mods I've Made: F-14 Factory Clean Cockpit Mod | Modern F-14 Weapons Mod | Iranian F-14 Weapons Pack | F-14B Nozzle Percentage Mod + Label Fix | AIM-23 Hawk Mod for F-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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