Comrade Doge Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) Here is the "desired systems" roadmap from a few weeks ago: And the actual one at the moment of writing this post: Notice the removal of the Sniper pod, VSR radar mode, HARM DL mode, Data Transfer Cartidge (DTC), Damage model and other things... Can some light be shed on the situation? I find it most confusing, there was no communication over the removal of these items, as it was the case for the other ones (like PRF audio for the RWR or the AGM-154C)... Edited June 17, 2022 by Comrade Doge 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCaboose Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 There's also no mention of TDOA on there, despite the HAD being listed as complete. Wags had mentioned TDOA in a previous video and that it was being worked on. 476th vFG Website, 476th vFG Discord, 476th vFG Pipeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 What?!? ED specifically said they will add SniperXR to the Viper... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) "Sniper XR Targeting Pod." Edited June 17, 2022 by fagulha - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball". About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Doge Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, fagulha said: "Sniper XR Targeting Pod." I'm talking about this post here, in the desired systems, where it got recently removed: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/206282-subject-to-change-desired-f-16c-systems-and-payloads/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobel Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 I could explain the "removal" of DTC. Because it will probably be a General DCS option...at least I hope so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazjar Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Wags just posted in that forum explaining the situation [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, jazjar said: Wags just posted in that forum explaining the situation Wags should have explained that before it was removed from the list. Actions like this are shady and ED has received criticism for actions like these in the past. I don't see what is keeping ED from learning from it. Also I did delete my previous post since it had an error in it and a wrong reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Solution Wags Posted June 17, 2022 ED Team Solution Share Posted June 17, 2022 Dear All, After our projects staff meeting yesterday, we decided on the DCS: F-16C Viper features list that would bring it out of Early Access. There comes a point where a module is at a complete enough state (of course some will take issue of where that line is) that it provides gameplay well worth the base price. When at that point, we take it out of early access and move it to normal pricing. That does NOT mean that development ceases. The only real change is the price. The current desired features list is regarding the state to remove it from early access – hence the topic title update and separate list. As mentioned, once out of early access, we'll release a new list of desired features to add post-early access. This list will contain all the items moved from the early access list and several more. I have generally been making notes of all changes to the early access desired features list, but it’s on me that I forgot to make a note yesterday. Mea culpa. Kind regards, Wags 12 14 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Doge Posted June 17, 2022 Author Share Posted June 17, 2022 Thank you @Wags for the explanation and details. We were a bit confused at first, but I'm glad it's cleared up now, especially since you mentioned all the removed items are still planned for after early access. We appreciate all the hard work you've put in so far, and your plans for the future, which adds tremendous value to this project. All the best, CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Wags said: There comes a point where a module is at a complete enough state (of course some will take issue of where that line is) that it provides gameplay well worth the base price. Why are the goal posts being moved now? Why has ED not determined these goal posts at EA initial release? Moving the EA release goal posts during EA development is (imo) not a thing that should be done without very careful consideration and COMPLETE transparency. Why could ED not have simply made a NEW post with a list with a NEW name instead of CHANGING the old post/list? What is wrong with the old list? What did the old list even mean? To me it seems like the old list was between a EA release points list and a "eventually we want to do this" list. Some people bought the F-16 expecting that list to be done when it eventually would leave EA. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 17, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tom_ said: very careful consideration and COMPLETE transparency It was done with careful consideration, and they just had this meeting, so its transparent as in we are notifying you as it happens. The features will come still in the same development order, but the release state will be different when some of them come, nothing really changes for anyone accept maybe the Viper can go on sale for larger amounts being out of EA. 2 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, NineLine said: so its transparent as in we are notifying you as it happens You mean transparent as in we first have to complain and then we get an explanation? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon715 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, NineLine said: nothing really changes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 17, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom_ said: You mean transparent as in we first have to complain and then we get an explanation? He just changed it, we was working on the notes for it as you guys posted. 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, NineLine said: He just changed it, we was working on the notes for it as you guys posted. From what I saw there was an hour between Wags posting his explanation and the list being changed. This is not a message that looks like it takes an hour to come up with. I am all for setting realistic expectations but it has to be done in a respectable manner. And I am of the opinion that this has not been done in a respectable manner. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tom_ said: Why are the goal posts being moved now? They're not. Subject to change. The features list was never set in stone, this should be well known by now. 2 Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 17, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, Tom_ said: From what I saw there was an hour between Wags posting his explanation and the list being changed. This is not a message that looks like it takes an hour to come up with. I am all for setting realistic expectations but it has to be done in a respectable manner. And I am of the opinion that this has not been done in a respectable manner. I apologize, maybe he was waiting for me to get home from picking up my daughter from school to post a full message, so you can blame me if you like. Regardless, we are clearing it up now. We will have a post EA list soon, but as I said, most of the stuff moved isnt really moved aside from the release state of the module, it will still come later as before. 3 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_ Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, NineLine said: I apologize, maybe he was waiting for me to get home from picking up my daughter from school to post a full message, so you can blame me if you like. ED is a company. I will never blame a single person. If something went wrong it is the wrongdoing of the company. If for some reason it had to wait until you got home from whatever you were doing that should make me feel bad for criticizing ED the editing of list should also have waited. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 17, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 17, 2022 I dont think it is seen as a big deal, I honestly dont see it as a big deal. When these features come out, the Viper won't say Early Access anymore, that is the only difference, the schedule of release of these features is really unchanged. 2 minutes ago, Tom_ said: ED is a company. I will never blame a single person. If something went wrong it is the wrongdoing of the company. If for some reason it had to wait until you got home from whatever you were doing that should make me feel bad for criticizing ED the editing of list should also have waited. 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radius Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 I don't have Community Management studies so I hope you excuse me if I'm talking rubish, but I don't think what you find important or not is relevant to us. 2 minutes ago, NineLine said: I dont think it is seen as a big deal, I honestly dont see it as a big deal. When these features come out, the Viper won't say Early Access anymore, that is the only difference, the schedule of release of these features is really unchanged. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 17, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, NineLine said: I dont think it is seen as a big deal, I honestly dont see it as a big deal. When these features come out, the Viper won't say Early Access anymore, that is the only difference, the schedule of release of these features is really unchanged. Let me add that I understand it was jarring to see some eagerly anticipated features vanish, so I will give you that, and will note it to management. 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 17, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, Radius said: I don't have Community Management studies so I hope you excuse me if I'm talking rubish, but I don't think what you find important or not is relevant to us. Maybe not, but I started out in 2011 as one of you, I loved the game so much I worked hard to be part of it. I try to make every decision, and every report to management based on how I would feel in your shoes, I would feel shocked to see features vanish, but I am telling you that nothing has really changed, we are just going to remove the EA label earlier and some other features will follow that. Try not to over think it, its not bad, nothing is gone, and nothing is coming later. The schedule is still the same. 11 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCaboose Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 4 hours ago, NineLine said: Maybe not, but I started out in 2011 as one of you, I loved the game so much I worked hard to be part of it. I try to make every decision, and every report to management based on how I would feel in your shoes, I would feel shocked to see features vanish, but I am telling you that nothing has really changed, we are just going to remove the EA label earlier and some other features will follow that. Try not to over think it, its not bad, nothing is gone, and nothing is coming later. The schedule is still the same. In terms of putting yourself in our shoes, can you please unlock the AIM-120 Split S thread? There was good information being posted there and it's now been locked for almost a week. 2 476th vFG Website, 476th vFG Discord, 476th vFG Pipeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted June 18, 2022 ED Team Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, AlexCaboose said: In terms of putting yourself in our shoes, can you please unlock the AIM-120 Split S thread? There was good information being posted there and it's now been locked for almost a week. The dev that was interacting was moving this week, when he is ready I will open it up again, and I have flagged the last post to him already. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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