upyr1 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Do you think there will be a chance we'll see the C and D? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Currently nobody knows, but let's hope so provided the module is a success and sales figures are good to them. "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raviar Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 hours ago, upyr1 said: Do you think there will be a chance we'll see the C and D? already announced as C,D and E , the E will release 1st, check the official announcement by HB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannick Pancake Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, Raviar said: already announced as C,D and E , the E will release 1st, check the official announcement by HB Where did they say that they will do a C or D? Yannick "Pancake" CO VF-14 - vCVW Two PILOT [pahy-luh t] - noun 1. A person who does precision gueswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge. See also: wizard, magican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Yannick Pancake said: Where did they say that they will do a C or D? They never did. They said they will likely look at some sort of Naval J/S Phantom after the E is done, which are only superficially similar to the C/D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannick Pancake Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Thats how I understood it as well, but I was wondering if I might have overread it Yannick "Pancake" CO VF-14 - vCVW Two PILOT [pahy-luh t] - noun 1. A person who does precision gueswork based on unreliable data provided by those of questionable knowledge. See also: wizard, magican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieuie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I think it's too early to tell anything at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, TLTeo said: They never did. They said they will likely look at some sort of Naval J/S Phantom after the E is done, which are only superficially similar to the C/D. I was thinking this was the case. The C and B are the most similar Phantoms so I a B/C/D module might make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow88 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, TLTeo said: which are only superficially similar to the C/D. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, sparrow88 said: How so? Avionics are completely different (radar especially, but also nav/bombing systems, lack of IRST, early ACLS), rear cockpit on USAF aircraft has flight controls, USN vs USAF Sidewinders and/or Falcon capability, slats vs no slats, just to name the obvious ones off the top of my head. The F-4B and C are fairly similar. The D and J/S are not, and the latter are also a big change over the B. Edited June 27, 2022 by TLTeo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 No slats on the B thru D. Later Bs had inverted slats retrofit onto the stabilizer, which came from the J. Same with aileron-droop and uplocked inner LE droops. None of that was ever found on the C or D - the stabilizer slats and uplocked inner LE droops were introduced on the pre-slat E for the USAF models. Some Cs and Ds had no bullet-fairing under the nose. Some Ds had LORAN towel-rack antennas on the spine. So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raviar Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 21 hours ago, Raviar said: already announced as C,D and E , the E will release 1st, check the official announcement by HB Sorry, I was wrong, I guess I read it somewhere (maybe not), but the announcement mentioned only two variants of E and the trailer is base on E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene K Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 6/27/2022 at 11:10 AM, Bremspropeller said: No slats on the B thru D. Later Bs had inverted slats retrofit onto the stabilizer, which came from the J. Same with aileron-droop and uplocked inner LE droops. None of that was ever found on the C or D - the stabilizer slats and uplocked inner LE droops were introduced on the pre-slat E for the USAF models. Some Cs and Ds had no bullet-fairing under the nose. Some Ds had LORAN towel-rack antennas on the spine. Nice -- BUT you are mixing up the terms "slats", "slots", "flaps" ... and "droops". Of the Phantom models you mentioned (plus the S): the C,D,B, and J had wing leading and trailing edge flaps; S and E/G had leading edge wing slats (different between USAF and USN) and trailing edge flaps; E/G, J, retrofitted B and S had stabilator leading edge slots. "Droop" refers to ailerons that were automatically lowered in conjunction with the flaps on some USN models. RF and exported models differed, for example, no slotted stabs on German F-4F and Japanese F-4EJ. Gene K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Gene K said: "Droop" refers to ailerons that were automatically lowered in conjunction with the flaps on some USN models No. Those are called drooped/ drooping aileron. A "droop" is a leading-edge device that will move down and won't open a slot. See Hawker Trident, where they are actually called that way. Or the A350 inboard LE devices. 14 minutes ago, Gene K said: E/G, J, retrofitted B and S had stabilator leading edge slots They're normally called slatted stabs. They were added and had increased chord over the basic tail. Kinematically they're slots as they don't move around, but so technically are the E/S outboard wing slats, which move around, but never are flush with the wing. Let's not go down that rabbit hole. 21 minutes ago, Gene K said: RF and exported models differed, for example, no slotted stabs on German F-4F and Japanese F-4EJ. The EJ actually have slatted tails. http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/aF41j.html So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene K Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 @Bremspropeller We have a language problem ... obviously. I yield to your expertise, especially since I've never flown the Trident or the A350 (but do have 14 years in the Phantom). Gene K 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeventy26 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 He said "but I do have 14 years in the Phantom" lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 7/7/2022 at 8:52 PM, Gene K said: @Bremspropeller(but do have 14 years in the Phantom). Gene K Yeah? Which version? Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCriminal86 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Nexus-6 said: Yeah? Which version? Hopefully the FH-1 Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus-6 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I don't think Heatblur has any plans to create that. Besides, the "OG" Phantom was only in service for 7 years. Can't pretend fly as well as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangs Out Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 D phantoms would be really cool as it was a testbed for early PGMs such as the BOLT-117 and early pods such as PAVE KNIFE. Besides, F-4Ds served with multiple Air national guard units and would be cool to have it to model many home state units and was used by Iran as well. Also, the F-4D was the ace maker of many vietnam ACES, Chuck DeBellevue, Steve Ritchie and Jeffrey Feinstein all either had their first kills or were F-4D aces. +1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted July 16, 2022 Author Share Posted July 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Fangs Out said: D phantoms would be really cool as it was a testbed for early PGMs such as the BOLT-117 and early pods such as PAVE KNIFE. Besides, F-4Ds served with multiple Air national guard units and would be cool to have it to model many home state units and was used by Iran as well. Also, the F-4D was the ace maker of many vietnam ACES, Chuck DeBellevue, Steve Ritchie and Jeffrey Feinstein all either had their first kills or were F-4D aces. +1 The reason I want the D On 7/14/2022 at 4:15 PM, LanceCriminal86 said: Hopefully the FH-1 That would be a good one for the Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Well, FH-1 Phantom is one thing, but the F2H-2 Banshee, which was developed from it, went on to fight in Korea. We need more of those early jets, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangs Out Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said: Well, FH-1 Phantom is one thing, but the F2H-2 Banshee, which was developed from it, went on to fight in Korea. We need more of those early jets, too. And while on the subject of early jets, I'd pay for a F3J or F4J fury. Those planes were essentially redesigned F-86s for Naval service. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 That's a little off-topic, though, since these are part of the Sabrejet family. It would be nice to have them, maybe even the first Fury (the F-86 was basically a denavalized, swept wing FJ-1), but that's not necessarily related to the Phantom all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Fangs Out said: And while on the subject of early jets, I'd pay for a F3J or F4J fury. Those planes were essentially redesigned F-86s for Naval service. FJ-4B or BUST. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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