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Will the F-4E module include any Vietnam era AI assets?


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1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

Needs map before assets. Sure the ww2 Marianas map might work as a stand in.  But there's very little land there.

Even without a Vietnam map some 1960s-1970s assets would still be nice.we could have a what if cold war turned hot on another theater or a 1975 red flag on the Nellis map.

40 minutes ago, Heinlein said:

Sure a few period correct assets would be neat but i wont hold my breath.  But who knows, Heatblur is quite secretive about this module. 

If we just got a thud to escort I would be happy 

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The A-6 is in the works, and there is an absolutely amazing A-4 community mod (that I wish could somehow be integrated into the core game for mp purposes).  Cold War era interest is on the rise thanks in part to enigma&co’s beautiful work, so it’d make (business) sense if more assets were to follow. 

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A RF-101, a F-105 or even a Hun (which I'd personally slightly prefer) as AI assets would be very cool. Or an actual huffer-cart for startup. Actual ladders and a helmet on the canopy frame (we've seen those things before). The little things...


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50 minutes ago, Fromthedeep said:

Is this even going to be a Vietnam era Phantom?

Recommend reading the FAQs.  #2 would indicate "kind of"... the first E-model Phantom released will be from roundabouts 1974, which is after most American action in Vietnam.  However, there is a technicality: Operation Frequent Wind took place in April 1975, where Navy and Air Force Phantoms performed their final combat sorties over Vietnam.  I'm not certain all of the aircraft involved, but am aware F-4Ds were flying for the USAF from the 34th TFS, 388th TFW.  The 388th did have F-4Es assigned during OFW from the 44th TFS.  For the USN, F-4Ns from VF-151 and -161 aboard the USS Midway (alongside F-14As from Enterprise on their combat debut) were involved.  So, that being said, if the first F-4E is going to be from around 1974, it's from after almost all of the combat was done for the US Military, but it would be appropriate for OFW, so technically a Vietnam-era Phantom.

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10 minutes ago, Quid said:

Recommend reading the FAQs.  #2 would indicate "kind of"... the first E-model Phantom released will be from roundabouts 1974, which is after most American action in Vietnam.  However, there is a technicality: Operation Frequent Wind took place in April 1975, where Navy and Air Force Phantoms performed their final combat sorties over Vietnam.  I'm not certain all of the aircraft involved, but am aware F-4Ds were flying for the USAF from the 34th TFS, 388th TFW.  The 388th did have F-4Es assigned during OFW from the 44th TFS.  For the USN, F-4Ns from VF-151 and -161 aboard the USS Midway (alongside F-14As from Enterprise on their combat debut) were involved.  So, that being said, if the first F-4E is going to be from around 1974, it's from after almost all of the combat was done for the US Military, but it would be appropriate for OFW, so technically a Vietnam-era Phantom.

I thought we were getting a linebacker Phantom and a post Vietnam Phantom. Anyway an AI B-52D, F-105 or other asset from 1965 to 1975 would be nice.

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14 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

I thought we were getting a linebacker Phantom and a post Vietnam Phantom. Anyway an AI B-52D, F-105 or other asset from 1965 to 1975 would be nice.

Might be in the future, I'm just referencing the FAQs because that's the most official reference.  HB may well build the whole Phantom family, but at least according to the FAQs, the first F-4E to be released will be from a bit later.

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1 hour ago, Quid said:

Recommend reading the FAQs.  #2 would indicate "kind of"... the first E-model Phantom released will be from roundabouts 1974, which is after most American action in Vietnam.  However, there is a technicality: Operation Frequent Wind took place in April 1975, where Navy and Air Force Phantoms performed their final combat sorties over Vietnam.  I'm not certain all of the aircraft involved, but am aware F-4Ds were flying for the USAF from the 34th TFS, 388th TFW.  The 388th did have F-4Es assigned during OFW from the 44th TFS

Thanks, your info about the 44th TFS is exactly what I was looking for. Do you have any data on how these aircraft were equipped? Would these aircraft have DSCG and Maverick support for example? If not, how different is the display from the one that was utilized by this squadron in that timeframe? 

 

Based on your comment, it's safe to include that while our Phantom may technically be part of the last operations of the Vietnam war, it wouldn't really be a from a timeframe that represents the conflict well. This is also an issue with the vast majority of other modules. Very few of those are going to be Vietnam era variants.

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2 hours ago, Quid said:

Might be in the future, I'm just referencing the FAQs because that's the most official reference.  HB may well build the whole Phantom family, but at least according to the FAQs, the first F-4E to be released will be from a bit later.

As I said earlier even if I was wrong on it being a linebacker Phantom it wouldn't change the fact the F-100 was retired in the late 1970’s I believe 79. The F-105 was retired in the early 1980s and the 102 and 106 a bit later so would overlap with our Phantom and the MiG-19.

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The F-105 was actually retired post-Vietnam for most part, the only ones to last into the 80s were the Wild Weasels. In fact, the primary reason single seat Thuds were phased out was that a good chunk of them got shot down over Vietnam. The Weasels had a lot of fancy electronics, so they were kept for a while afterward.

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On 7/4/2022 at 6:39 AM, Dragon1-1 said:

The F-105 was actually retired post-Vietnam for most part, the only ones to last into the 80s were the Wild Weasels. In fact, the primary reason single seat Thuds were phased out was that a good chunk of them got shot down over Vietnam. The Weasels had a lot of fancy electronics, so they were kept for a while afterward.

The older Phantom we have I believe is from 74. 

On 7/4/2022 at 10:13 AM, Bremspropeller said:

Single seaters flew with the Guard into the 80s as well.

http://users.vermontel.net/~tomh/AIRCRAFT/F105ANG/F105ANG.html

I was thinking this was the case. Even if I had been wrong both d and g thuds would be cool. 

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20 hours ago, TLTeo said:

Yeah the same goes for the F-100 and RF-101 - both flew with the Guard until the late 70s iirc, which is also when the F-106 left ADC (but it remained with the guard until the late 80s).

Indeed.  Here's a couple pics I took at some 80's era airshows.  Unfortunately, I did not get to see them fly.  I threw in a Canadian F-101B (at the Edwards AFB show) just because.  And there are some F-4's in the background of at least two of these, just to keep it on-topic. 🙂

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It doesnt matter what they promis, I am still waiting for the SAAB 35 Draken (Viggen) and the A-6 intruder ...  Not to mention the persian cat...

But yeah Ground vehicles for having period apropiate assets at the base would be very, very welcome.

 

 


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On 6/27/2022 at 12:39 PM, Gunfreak said:

Needs map before assets. Sure the ww2 Marianas map might work as a stand in.  But there's very little land there.

Nah

There's lots of possibilities on other maps during the Vietnam era, including "what if"/fictional scenarios etc.

I know I have at least 2 ideas and neither needs a Vietnam map, even though they take place during that time.

Sure I want a Vietnam map, but some creativity a lot of things are possible already.

 

So yes please on the assets.


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On 7/7/2022 at 12:05 AM, Heinlein said:

A era correct fueling truck, tow tractor, air start and ground power units would be great to spice up the airfield environment a bit

Yes.  The Supercarrier got deck crews to make it feel more alive.  Therefore, the airfields should likewise have ground assets.

Can't pretend fly as well as you can.

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