ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 8, 2022 ED Team Share Posted July 8, 2022 DCS Newsletter discussion 8th July 2022 - Summer Sales | Mirage F1 | B-52 Textures https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/977d0c03dce1f94209d7e5e991e657b9/ 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale1986 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 If you invest so much time and attention to detail in the BUFF, you should make it a full fidelity module Main Module: AH-64D Personal Wishlist: HH-60G, F-117A, B-52H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 I'm waiting on the new infantry models. i9 9900k @5.1GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z390 E-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 970 Evo 1TB | LPX 64GB DDR4 3200MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | Reverb G1 | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 8, 2022 Author ED Team Share Posted July 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pasquale1986 said: If you invest so much time and attention to detail in the BUFF, you should make it a full fidelity module would be great, but not planned currently. 9 minutes ago, pimp said: I'm waiting on the new infantry models. yes will be nice, thank you for your patience. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schurem Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Allons enfant de la patrie Le jour de gloire (le jour de gloire) est arrivé (est arrivé) 2 I5 9600KF, 32GB, 3080ti, G2, PointCTRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 I love the BUFF. Any chance of additional variants, while you're at it? I'd love to see the Vietnam-era G model, maybe also a "big belly" D model, to give the Phantom something to escort. Earlier variants could be nice as well, but they were nuke haulers with surprisingly limited conventional bomb capacity (what the big belly mod fixed, when it turned out there's more demand for carpet bombing than for nukes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 I love the BUFF. Any chance of additional variants, while you're at it? I'd love to see the Vietnam-era G model, maybe also a "big belly" D model, to give the Phantom something to escort. Earlier variants could be nice as well, but they were nuke haulers with surprisingly limited conventional bomb capacity (what the big belly mod fixed, when it turned out there's more demand for carpet bombing than for nukes).ED has none talking about variants, in self has update very old 3d models to actual standards. Enviado desde mi RNE-L21 mediante Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Yes, but they're AI aircraft, so making the variants basically means a few slightly different meshes. Most major parts are the same, the B-52 didn't change all that much over all these years. Even if we get them later, because they'd need to code in the new units, it's still a good time to make their models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo227 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 I’m curious why it’s taking ED over 6 months to make a basic 3D model of an AI asset and it’s still not in the game… a model of similar quality could’ve been bought from various websites in like 1 minute. That and the fact we still don’t have proper mipmaps and LODs to actually help with performance. That should be a priority and not be left until after early access, be it for a module or an AI model. Would be nice to get an explanation for this twisted process 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 9, 2022 Author ED Team Share Posted July 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, FoxTwo227 said: I’m curious why it’s taking ED over 6 months to make a basic 3D model of an AI asset and it’s still not in the game… a model of similar quality could’ve been bought from various websites in like 1 minute. That and the fact we still don’t have proper mipmaps and LODs to actually help with performance. That should be a priority and not be left until after early access, be it for a module or an AI model. Would be nice to get an explanation for this twisted process Hi, new model work takes time, we do our own work we are not buying it from other sites. If you have ever done model work you will know how long good quality models take. Appreciate you may not have the patience for waiting but this kind of work will always take time, we share progress with you all when we can. thank you 4 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Force Team Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 @FoxTwo227 When ED or its authorized developers create a fully functional high-fidelity jet, chopper, or map, they usually spent a couple of years. That means they build everything from scratch starting from the ground going up. Here are some recent examples. The South Atlantic (SA) Map was in development for four real-world years. The Mirage-2000 was in development for 8 years! When the developers are making their air frames, they make it as close to the real thing as possible. Depending on the company or contract, you might have one or two developers that are working on the coding. Obviously, we want instant gratification with new choppers, jets, mods, and campaigns in the virtual world. In the real world, we exercise patience while enjoying what is available. MFT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo227 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Mike Force Team said: @FoxTwo227 When ED or its authorized developers create a fully functional high-fidelity jet, chopper, or map, they usually spent a couple of years. That means they build everything from scratch starting from the ground going up. Here are some recent examples. The South Atlantic (SA) Map was in development for four real-world years. The Mirage-2000 was in development for 8 years! When the developers are making their air frames, they make it as close to the real thing as possible. Depending on the company or contract, you might have one or two developers that are working on the coding. Obviously, we want instant gratification with new choppers, jets, mods, and campaigns in the virtual world. In the real world, we exercise patience while enjoying what is available. MFT I’m not talking modules though. The B-52 for sure isn’t going to be one, there is no point in making it super HQ when it’s never gonna be super close in a players view. It just doesn’t have to look like a potato, like the current ones. Ppl put AI planes in as ramp fillers most of the time or they’re off out or view doing some AI tasking. It’s just a waste of development time imo. Could’ve overhauled like 70% of the current LOMAC models in the same amount of time we’ve now been waiting for an updated B-52 model 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Well, it's gonna be seen up close when it's on ramp, or when you're holding hands with one while escorting. This level of detail is simply what's expected of assets in this day and age. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notproplayer3 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, FoxTwo227 said: I’m not talking modules though. The B-52 for sure isn’t going to be one, there is no point in making it super HQ when it’s never gonna be super close in a players view. It just doesn’t have to look like a potato, like the current ones. Ppl put AI planes in as ramp fillers most of the time or they’re off out or view doing some AI tasking. It’s just a waste of development time imo. Could’ve overhauled like 70% of the current LOMAC models in the same amount of time we’ve now been waiting for an updated B-52 model I do very much agree and to add to that, I do also wonder when the hh60 model rework is going to be worked on, not only has it been 2 or 3 years since players who bought the supercarrier had to see that disgusting model but even before that, those who bought the fa18 and operated from the free stennis had to deal with that too. From my point of view, ED hasn't got their priorities straight. 4 Full fidelity su27/mig29 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo227 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said: Well, it's gonna be seen up close when it's on ramp, or when you're holding hands with one while escorting. This level of detail is simply what's expected of assets in this day and age. Sure they’ll be close, but not so close we need every little rivet, wrinkle or nut and bolt modeled. Most of that you can just cleverly make part of the texture and be done with it. Again, it’s not going to be something you’ll be looking for more than a few mins tops, even during escorts you’re not gonna be right on top of it (if you are you’re doing it wrong). Edited July 10, 2022 by FoxTwo227 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gierasimov Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 18 hours ago, FoxTwo227 said: Sure they’ll be close, but not so close we need every little rivet, wrinkle or nut and bolt modeled. Most of that you can just cleverly make part of the texture and be done with it. Again, it’s not going to be something you’ll be looking for more than a few mins tops, even during escorts you’re not gonna be right on top of it (if you are you’re doing it wrong). You're welcome to use the current one. I for one can't wait for the beautiful one ED is making 5 Intel i7-13700KF :: ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 :: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTwo227 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Gierasimov said: You're welcome to use the current one. I for one can't wait for the beautiful one ED is making You’re completely missing the point….. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, FoxTwo227 said: You’re completely missing the point….. and you already got a response from ED yet you are still trolling about this .. 2 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldur Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 NGL, I'm stoked for the MF1 release. But I'm still unsure if I might just die from the 42 centigrades that's coming to a country where AC is an alien concept still around the same time. Gonna be rough... I'll try not to At least my rig will survive, it has plenty of Noctuas installed, even on the GPU (guess my profile needs an update there, think it still has the 1080). Maybe I should get some and just wear 'em I mean, it just needs to be about 20% cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draconus Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/9/2022 at 1:38 PM, FoxTwo227 said: I’m curious why it’s taking ED over 6 months to make a basic 3D model of an AI asset and it’s still not in the game… Because it's not just "basic 3D model": high-polygon model, so they don't have to upgrade it 2 years later high-res textures for different countries, groups, variants and seasons dynamic IR textures LODS and mipmaps damage model animations and additional model arguments movement/FM parameters available weapons firing/releasing parameters systems like radios, radars and other sensors... ME: available tasks, commands and features, countries and historical mode database update CA integration Some things may not be applicable to AI B-52H or to the model update, some I might have forgotten. Here's the news that used to link to the great document on how DCS 3D AI models are made but the links are broken now. @BIGNEWY ? It'd come in handy now. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX3060 Rift S T16000M TWCS TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted July 12, 2022 Author ED Team Share Posted July 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, draconus said: Here's the news that used to link to the great document on how DCS 3D AI models are made but the links are broken now Intentional, the team was not happy with it and it was removed. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIKBELL Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Hello ED team I love to see the improvement on B-52H AI model to me it needed to be improved never a waste of time or resources. 2 There are 2 categories of fighter pilots: those who have performed, and those who someday will perform, a magnificent defensive break turn toward a bug on the canopy. Robert Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, VIKBELL said: Hello ED team I love to see the improvement on B-52H AI model to me it needed to be improved never a waste of time or resources. 3D assets has planeed from some years ago, and on your plans enter add new AI 3D units, and redone the oldest, from Lomac / FC to actual standars. Quote AI Units New and Updated assets Because DCS World is built on a project spanning almost two decades, some units now show their age and will be updated throughout the year. It is also important that we add new units to better fill the battlefields. Here are some of the items that we intend to create or update in 2021: Large Aircraft: B-52H, Tu-95MS, Tu-142, B-1B, IL-38, and Tu-160 Carrier Aircraft: S-3B and SH-60B Ground Units: M1A2, AMX-56 Leclerc, Wespe Sd.Kfz.124, KS-19 100mm ADA, Son-4 “Flap Wheel” radar, C1 Ariete, Pantsir SA-22 “Greyhound”, and S-300/SA-10 “Grumble”. The AI assets team never has to do with other ED teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gierasimov Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I wonder if our version is chute equipped. Here is one landing at Nellis Intel i7-13700KF :: ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI D4 :: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB :: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio :: VKB Gunfighter MK.III MCG Ultimate :: VPC MongoosT-50 CM3 :: non-VR :: single player :: open beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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