Losing enthusiasm with VR

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

1 hour ago, Digitalvole said:

The constant battle to get better performance/visuals can suck all the fun out of DCS. I think a good approach is to get to a place where things are acceptable for you and then start a campaign (Liberation is my poison). Once you are actually flying missions it’s much easier to ignore the little niggles that drive you nuts when you’re testing different settings in a futile quest for perfection.

yeah those days for a quick 40 minute hop after dinner, instead wasted chekcing forums, online resources, different apps with a billion settings...

[Digitalvole]

17 minutes ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

yeah those days for a quick 40 minute hop after dinner, instead wasted chekcing forums, online resources, different apps with a billion settings...

…and rarely being truly happy with the results. But once you’re dodging missiles the fun returns and you don’t even notice the things you thought were immersion breakers. 

I think the future is bright for us, I just hope geopolitics doesn’t ruin it for everyone.
 

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

3 minutes ago, Digitalvole said:

…and rarely being truly happy with the results. But once you’re dodging missiles the fun returns and you don’t even notice the things you thought were immersion breakers. 

I think the future is bright for us, I just hope geopolitics doesn’t ruin it for everyone.
 

yep megahappy with what DCS currently offers and thankful for being able to fly.

 

[Gunslinger52]

Hi all. 

Enjoying your helpful input.  I'm new to VR and DCS.  I have a G2 and 3060 with plenty of cores and RAM.  

I wear glasses, and the cockpit looking straight ahead is crystal clear.  When I look down and hard right or left to get a switch (behind my shoulders in the F-16) I can hardly read the switch names.  Does anyone know:

A) Is it just a poorly setup VR

B) Just 'my eyes being bad'

C) Normal- all systems produce the same results

D) DCS settings that need tweaking

 

I've tried tweaking all sorts, but to no avail. 

Appreciate any help you can offer. 

[Tom Kazansky]

27 minutes ago, Gunslinger52 said:

Hi all. 

Enjoying your helpful input.  I'm new to VR and DCS.  I have a G2 and 3060 with plenty of cores and RAM.  

I wear glasses, and the cockpit looking straight ahead is crystal clear.  When I look down and hard right or left to get a switch (behind my shoulders in the F-16) I can hardly read the switch names.  Does anyone know:

A) Is it just a poorly setup VR

B) Just 'my eyes being bad'

C) Normal- all systems produce the same results

D) DCS settings that need tweaking

 

I've tried tweaking all sorts, but to no avail. 

Appreciate any help you can offer. 

C for a G2. There is no edge to edge clarity with a G2. Sad but true.

Good thing is, it's not your eyes

Edited July 30, 2022 by Tom Kazansky

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

58 minutes ago, Gunslinger52 said:

Hi all. 

Enjoying your helpful input.  I'm new to VR and DCS.  I have a G2 and 3060 with plenty of cores and RAM.  

I wear glasses, and the cockpit looking straight ahead is crystal clear.  When I look down and hard right or left to get a switch (behind my shoulders in the F-16) I can hardly read the switch names.  Does anyone know:

A) Is it just a poorly setup VR

B) Just 'my eyes being bad'

C) Normal- all systems produce the same results

D) DCS settings that need tweaking

 

I've tried tweaking all sorts, but to no avail. 

Appreciate any help you can offer. 

Even a slight trembling of the headset might put your vision out of the sweet spot of focus. 

Next time try looking at some blurry part, then hold the headset against you with your hand and let see if focus improves

[Gunslinger52]

Thanks Tom- that's great news  

Ala12Rv-Tundra - Il  try that later today, thanks a lot.  

[eaglecash867]

Yup.  Normal for a G2, unfortunately.  I ended up selling my G1 the other day, so I put it on briefly to make sure it still worked, and was a little reluctant to go through with the sale.  The G1 had better edge-to-edge clarity.  But, then I remembered all of the other issues the G1 inherently had...it definitely had much more noticeable screen-door effect, and I hated that short tow-rated cable it had.

[3WA]

On 7/28/2022 at 12:57 PM, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

I haven't flown that much either these past few months. I'm waiting for the engine improvements really: multicore and Vulkan...

This is my problem.  I'm just getting very disenchanted with the engine.  All these years, and still runs on one core.  Until we get multicore and Vulkan, there's not much to do.

I REALLY need to build a new computer.  Mine is 9 years old now.  But I don't see how it's going to do much with this old engine, and money is very tight.

[dburne]

7 hours ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

yeah those days for a quick 40 minute hop after dinner, instead wasted chekcing forums, online resources, different apps with a billion settings...

I started down that path and said oh heck no. Now I am happily flying campaigns in my Hornet and progressing through learning the Apache with good ole Steam VR and keeping things pretty simple. A few hours every day in fact. Bliss - it's a wonderful thing.

[Burt]

VR is really not that bad ! I just did about an hour in a bfm server with absolutely no issues, smooth and pretty damn crisp but not like a 2d scene. The thing is , you just got to take what it gives you at the moment. Kinda like golf. 

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

3 hours ago, 3WA said:

This is my problem.  I'm just getting very disenchanted with the engine.  All these years, and still runs on one core.  Until we get multicore and Vulkan, there's not much to do.

I REALLY need to build a new computer.  Mine is 9 years old now.  But I don't see how it's going to do much with this old engine, and money is very tight.

Look at videos of dcs from nine years ago. Graphic wise has improved a lot and requirements have skyrocketed. 

[Japo32]

The only problem I see with VR is these days where my room is at 35ºC and I sweet like hell wearing the goggles.

[battlegear2099]

Oculus only runs on its old or beta openxr with the toolkit or with out and or compatible openxr mods.  Or steamvr old or it's beta openxr, toolkit vr menu or with out and VR compatible mods. Wmr openxr tools has no effect on oculus. I think I have that right, little complicated.

Edited July 31, 2022 by battlegear2099

[battlegear2099]

On 7/28/2022 at 11:32 AM, dooom said:

Hey all,

I'm in need of a lift - or at least a little nudge as I have found myself losing my enthusiasm over VR the last few weeks.

It was only this spring that i finally broke down and built a new PC and picked up a Reverb G2 v2.  I have increasingly been finding myself disenchanted with VR and its implementation.

I'm currently sitting on a 5800x, 64 GB Ram, 6900XT (that i paid far toomuch for just prior to the price crash) and my G2.  I have installed OpenXR and the Toolkit and even read, viewed and researched the multitude of resources and suggestions around AMD and OXR/WMR

I just feel like I am spending faaar too much time fiddling around trying to get things smooth, clear and in my sweetspot.  Its more time fiddling than just enjoying the game.  I'm locked at 45 fps and still drop below that sometimes and feel like the learning curve is still so high that I'll never get optimized.

Then i look at the poor resolution in my G2 (compared to 4k on 2D and I just think... man with my rig I should just buy a 38" 4K monitor and go back to TrackIR.  I'm sure i could drive some pretty nice visuals in 2D.

Maybe VR isnt for me... how did the rest of you get over this funk?

Thanks for any suggestions....

I have been on VR long time and it's not easy to deal with all the issues and changes you run into if your new to VR or a veteran Vr player.   But if you enjoy it keeps you going as it's something back in 80's as a kid we didn't have vr and now we do.  For me VR is amazing , but it's not always workings.  So it takes big time commitment to vr.  I have been struggling with DCs VR issues since 2014 and I tell you it's not been easy trip it's a technology that's still in development.   sometimes you need to take a break or play something else as main issue is not VR but really dcs world it's still in development so it's a beta.  If you like flying, check out other flight sims on steam, msfs2020, il-2 with ww1 and WW2 add-ons,  race cars, fantasy, sifi space fighters and expand your horizons in VR. DCs can be major pain in VR. most other VR apps and games don't have DCs VR problems. I only play on weekends. As I find VR fatigues me if I play to much. Ya VR is DCs is allot of work, as updates break it. That's just what DCs is like.  Those of us who play it in vr do it we enjoy it, and put up with all the crap.  And we keep coming back as it's long term hobby dedication and for some can be costly for there controllers and rigs ,years for some , decades for others, something breaks you fix it VR is very time consuming not for everyone.  It not like owning a game console, PC VR is allot more complex  and time consuming and  sadly , realistically its not plug and play it's hands on and requirements are learning allot of other skills to keep it running.

Edited July 31, 2022 by battlegear2099

[eaglecash867]

19 hours ago, Digitalvole said:

…and rarely being truly happy with the results. But once you’re dodging missiles the fun returns and you don’t even notice the things you thought were immersion breakers. 

I think the future is bright for us, I just hope geopolitics doesn’t ruin it for everyone.
 

Dodging missiles is one of the big advantages to VR.  You have depth perception, as well as the 1:1 head movement that makes knowing how to maneuver instinctual.  If you can see it, you can defeat it, often without using any countermeasures.

As far as immersion breakers go, on the pancake, the immersion breakers are pretty much anything in the room for me.  In VR, the only occasional immersion breaker is when an invisible cat paw comes through the side of the cockpit and touches my arm...or when the same invisible cat ends up in the rudder pedals while he's biting my feet.  

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

10 hours ago, Japo32 said:

The only problem I see with VR is these days where my room is at 35ºC and I sweet like hell wearing the goggles.

different options

• usb fan
• necklace fan
• regular fan
• air conditioner
• sweat like hell

[Digitalvole]

22 minutes ago, eaglecash867 said:

As far as immersion breakers go, on the pancake, the immersion breakers are pretty much anything in the room for me.  In VR, the only occasional immersion breaker is when an invisible cat paw comes through the side of the cockpit and touches my arm...or when the same invisible cat ends up in the rudder pedals while he's biting my feet.  

Oh those dastardly invisible sky cats! 
My issue would have been dastardly invisible sky children, so I spent a ludicrous some of money for an outside office at the end of the garden. Worth every penny!

DCS VR really is the only thing that clears my mind of everything but what I’m doing. I mean that does happen if I spend long enough in the pub, but that’s expensive and makes the next day very difficult and is bad for ones health.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Digitalvole

[edmuss]

33 minutes ago, Digitalvole said:

invisible sky children

They're terrible when they climb on your lap, stand on your thighs to reach the steering wheel rim that's hanging and to play cars whilst I'm trying to play helicopters!

Oh and also 11pm, I'm sure three year olds should be asleep

[Japo32]

39 minutes ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

different options

• usb fan
• necklace fan
• regular fan
• air conditioner
• sweat like hell

Have all of that.. but you need to put also a big wallet to pay all the energy consumed XDD

[SharpeXB]

2 hours ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

different options

• usb fan
• necklace fan
• regular fan
• air conditioner
• sweat like hell

When they invented VR they forgot most of the world lives without air conditioning

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

3 hours ago, Japo32 said:

Have all of that.. but you need to put also a big wallet to pay all the energy consumed XDD

It's nice meeting you online again, great memories from our races and arma games with 4thperrus

How is life treating you?? 

[Digitalvole]

 I’ve woken up this morning after playing some DCS last night, feeling a bit dissatisfied with VR too.

I suppose I’m letting off a bit of steam, but the constant trade offs and compromises do get frustrating. You think you have things where you want them, then try to play a mission with more going on than usual such as Liberation, and it’s back to the old drawing board. Not to mention how much this all costs! 

On this grey Monday morning the urge to get TrackIR is strong. I’m off to moan about OpenXR in that thread now, aren’t Mondays great!

[Ala12Rv-Tundra]

1 hour ago, Digitalvole said:

 I’ve woken up this morning after playing some DCS last night, feeling a bit dissatisfied with VR too.

I suppose I’m letting off a bit of steam, but the constant trade offs and compromises do get frustrating. You think you have things where you want them, then try to play a mission with more going on than usual such as Liberation, and it’s back to the old drawing board. Not to mention how much this all costs! 

On this grey Monday morning the urge to get TrackIR is strong. I’m off to moan about OpenXR in that thread now, aren’t Mondays great!

lower each Liberation coalition budget so less units are involved first! lol

[Digitalvole]

1 hour ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

lower each Liberation coalition budget so less units are involved first! lol

I’m currently doing about $400m each on “The Scenic Route” (apparently one of the least taxing campaigns). I’m hopping OpenXR is the main problem, the motion smoothing is like being on shrooms. Hoping to try it out with SVR tonight. I used to run it on a dedicated server on a 2nd machine, but that proved to be a bit too much faffing about given the time I have.

Does anyone else feel like DCS VR greatness is always just over the horizon? I mean with OpenXR and no motion smoothing it looks utterly fantastic!

Multithreading can’t come soon enough haha. But seriously ED, it can’t come soon enough…

Ps. I’ve been doing this for 6 years now, I know it’s “pros and cons”. I suppose Im feeling the cons more than the pros at the moment. That’ll probably change soon enough. I still believe eventually things will be amazing. How much older we will all be then I dread to think.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Digitalvole