Germane Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 This thread is intended to give VR newcomers a little orientation as to what the best IPD setting is for the respective aircraft. Getting into VR is confusing enough and this will at least give you an idea of the right size ratio for your aircraft. For some reason I don't understand, almost every aircraft is optimised to a different value. My settings are: F14: 61 F16: 55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahogephilia Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 48. I compared to size of my Joystick and Rudder distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomcat388th Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 F18: 45 seems about right for me in relation to my controllers and viewing the hud and mfds. I did have to fine tune my head camera view just a touch Ryzen7 5800X3D. 64 gb ram, 6950XT 16gb, Winwing Orion F18, MFG Crosswind Rudder, 42 inch lg tv, Quest PRO USN VF31 F14A AE2 1985-1989 CV 59 NAS Oceana IL ANG 183FW/170FS F16 Block 30 Big Mouth 1989-2006 Full time tech Retired E8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simultaneous Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 55 in F18. I tried to get the stick size looking as close to mine as possible. And for humans standing on the apron looking as realistic size as possible. i9-11900K (Corsair water cooled); Z590; 64Gb Dominator 3466; Zotac Trinity OC RTX 4090; Soundblaster Z; Samsung 980 & 990 Pros; Pimax 8K X, 5K XR; Winwing Orion 2 F/A-18 throttle, Winwing Orion 2 base with extension and F-15EX grip (from F/A-18 grip); Virpil Warbrd base (2x extensions) with TM Warthog grip, TM Warthog throttle; Ace-Flight Rudder Pedals, Control Panel #2; Simshaker Jetpad / HF8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 The IPD setting would vastly differ from person to person, and it is not even subjective opinion. It depends on the distance between your pupils of the eyes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, metzger said: The IPD setting would vastly differ from person to person, and it is not even subjective opinion. It depends on the distance between your pupils of the eyes. That is true for the IPD you set for the fresnell lenses on your headset. The Setting in DCS is not the same - don't get confused by the terminology. It scales the "world size". Putting in your real life inter pupil distance would lead to wrong cockpit sizes in different modules. 1 "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 it's the same thing. You need to adjust the world scale because it looks too small/big to you due to your eyes. The number you set does not correspond to your phisical IPD cause it is software and it is just some number that ED came out with to adjust the distance at which they render the two images. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, metzger said: it's the same thing. You need to adjust the world scale because it looks too small/big to you due to your eyes. The number you set does not correspond to your phisical IPD cause it is software and it is just some number that ED came out with to adjust the distance at which they render the two images. No, because setting only the distance between your "virtual eyes" would affect your depth perception but not alter the size in every dimension (not only horizontaly but vertically). Think about it for a moment. (Or don't, whatever... ). To elaborate what I mean. IPD in this context only alters the distance of your virtual eyes in the sense that if I would shrink you to half your size, the distance between your eyes would be the half as well. That would effectively scale the world around you to 200%. (making you a mouse or an elephant...) If I would take on eye of yours and put an objekt in front of you, it would have a certain height (in arc minutes). The size of that objekt would only change, if I moved your eye closer to the object or further away. If I took your second eye and offset it to the side, this eye would see the object from a slightly different angle, but the size would stay the same. Therefore - even if ED choose to name this option IPD (a little clumsy choice), it is effectively a scaling factor for the enviroment. (It shrinks or enlarges the whole pilot, not only his IPD). Not all modules are scaled the same. I don't know why that is. But in order to have realisticly sized cockpits in all aircraft, one need to adjust IDP for every module. That is why this thread makes absolutely sense! Edited August 5, 2022 by Hiob "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 For me DCS seems to be right on with the scale, have not had a need to adjust in game IPD. At least for the Hornet or Apache which are the two I am currently flying. With any headset I have used so far. At least I don't think, hope I am remembering that right LOL. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Hiob said: No, because setting only the distance between your "virtual eyes" would affect your depth perception but not alter the size in every dimension (not only horizontaly but vertically). Think about it for a moment. (Or don't, whatever... ). To elaborate what I mean. IPD in this context only alters the distance of your virtual eyes in the sense that if I would shrink you to half your size, the distance between your eyes would be the half as well. That would effectively scale the world around you to 200%. (making you a mouse or an elephant...) If I would take on eye of yours and put an objekt in front of you, it would have a certain height (in arc minutes). The size of that objekt would only change, if I moved your eye closer to the object or further away. If I took your second eye and offset it to the side, this eye would see the object from a slightly different angle, but the size would stay the same. Therefore - even if ED choose to name this option IPD (a little clumsy choice), it is effectively a scaling factor for the enviroment. (It shrinks or enlarges the whole pilot, not only his IPD). Not all modules are scaled the same. I don't know why that is. But in order to have realisticly sized cockpits in all aircraft, one need to adjust IDP for every module. That is why this thread makes absolutely sense! Then why different people need different value ? For me, with default value everything looks tiny small, while for other same setup looks fine or even the opposite ? And I mean for me it is quite obviously everything is tiny, it is not subjective even debatable. I have a fr who tested my PC and for him it scaling looked good. If I put 61 as OP, regardless of the module, I feel like I am inside a toy plane I am using low 40s and all modules look similarly fine. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 5, 2022 ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2022 IPD in DCS of around 50 works best for me Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germane Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 vor 37 Minuten schrieb dburne: For me DCS seems to be right on with the scale, have not had a need to adjust in game IPD. At least for the Hornet or Apache which are the two I am currently flying. With any headset I have used so far. At least I don't think, hope I am remembering that right LOL. I dont know the Apache but yeah, the f18 seams right. If you test the F16 you will notice that it seams strange and to small. vor 3 Stunden schrieb metzger: The IPD setting would vastly differ from person to person, and it is not even subjective opinion. It depends on the distance between your pupils of the eyes. Hiob is right. In DCS, IPD scales the size. You notice it when you compare different modules. Some look way too big, others way too small and still others fit. vor 21 Minuten schrieb BIGNEWY: IPD in DCS of around 50 works best for me Question: Why is that not standardised? Each module seems to be designed for a different value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 5, 2022 ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Germane said: Question: Why is that not standardised? Each module seems to be designed for a different value peoples perception and preferences are different which is why we have the option for adjusting Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiob Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, metzger said: Then why different people need different value ? Because it is a matter of perception and taste. Without a an object of reference it is hard to determine which size is „right“. (Edit: …and it may be, that different output devices give different feeling of „size“, that’s probably the reason, EDmade this option variable) The approach of some people to reference to grip size or people makes sense to me. To find one value, that generally fits you, is an equally valid approach. Edited August 5, 2022 by Hiob "Muß ich denn jedes Mal, wenn ich sauge oder saugblase den Schlauchstecker in die Schlauchnut schieben?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germane Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 vor 4 Stunden schrieb BIGNEWY: peoples perception and preferences are different which is why we have the option for adjusting Okay I understand why there is the option to change it but why is there no default setting? I mean there is one setting where the scale is correct. That would avoid a lot of testing and trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 5, 2022 ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Germane said: Okay I understand why there is the option to change it but why is there no default setting? I mean there is one setting where the scale is correct. That would avoid a lot of testing and trouble The default setting is there, it is the unticked setting, when you tick it and use the slider you are adjusting the default Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxsin72 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 F14 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) I never had to touch that setting and it’s been unchecked from the get go. Everything looks perfectly normal. It’s uncheck at 63.5 Edited August 6, 2022 by Burt ALIENWARE R11 - I9 10900KF @ 5.1 GHz - M.2 NVMe 2TB - RTX3090 - XFURY 64GB -3400 MHz RAM Monitor AW3420DW @ 120Hz - Virpil CM3 Throttle - TM TPR Rudder pedals - Virpil CM2 w/TM Hornet Stick Center - Monstertech Deck Mounts RealSimulator FSSB-R3 Lightning Base w/ F16SRGRH SideStick - VR user / Varjo Aero - Big Thx to mbucchia Start Date April 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Jaw Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 21 hours ago, Burt said: I never had to touch that setting and it’s been unchecked from the get go. Everything looks perfectly normal. It’s uncheck at 63.5 Same, Im so sorry I found this thread cause now I wonder if I need to tweak this. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, ASUS RTX3060ti/8GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 This setting would be very subjective depending on each individual. There is no good answer as to whether one should use it or not. Use what looks about right for you. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhawk1971 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) Am 5.8.2022 um 22:25 schrieb BIGNEWY: The default setting is there, it is the unticked setting, when you tick it and use the slider you are adjusting the default Would it be possible in a future update to make the setting module-specific rather than "global", so that each value for each individual aircraft is being "remembered" by DCS? In other words, move the slider from the VR tab to the respective module tab in the GUI? That way, users could set the individual values once (for the respective airframe) and not have to change (and remember) settings every time they switch modules. Edited August 7, 2022 by Jayhawk1971 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ephir0th Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Jayhawk1971 said: Would it be possible in a future update to make the setting module-specific rather than "global", so that each value for each individual aircraft is being "remembered" by DCS? In other words, move the slider from the VR tab to the respective module tab in the GUI? That way, users could set the individual values once (for the respective airframe) and not have to change (and remember) settings every time they switch modules. This NZXT H9 Flow Black | Intel Core i5 13600KF OCed P5.6 E4.4 | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5-6000 32GB C30 OCed 6600 C32 | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition | Western Digital SN770 2TB | Gigabyte GP-UD1000GM PG5 ATX 3.0 1000W | SteelSeries Apex 7 | Razer Viper Mini | SteelSeries Artics Nova 7 | LG OLED42C2 | Xiaomi P1 55" Virpil T-50 CM2 Base + Thrustmaster Warthog Stick | WinWing Orion 2 F16EX Viper Throttle | WinWing ICP | 3 x Thrustmaster MFD | Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals | Oculus Quest 2 DCS World | Persian Gulf | Syria | Flaming Cliff 3 | P-51D Mustang | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | Fw-109 A-8 | A-10C II Tank Killer | F/A-18C Hornet | F-14B Tomcat | F-16C Viper | F-15E Strike Eagle | M2000C | Ka-50 BlackShark III | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | SuperCarrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBGoBLiNzx3 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 I keep it on 44. I had it on 46 and it was good there too but after a while it did start feeling a bit small. I find the best way besides matching your stick size and leg size/length is to load on to caucus on start or ramp. Taxi to a cargo jet. They will look way to small.. Remember how big these jets really are. If you were in the cockpit and looked at your wing tips, missiles, and stabilizers just try to imagine exactly how big they would be. For the quest 2 I find anywhere from 42-46 is ideal. 44 being the sweet spot. It takes a bit getting used to if you're used to the smaller scale but once you do you'll notice how much better the MFD's are, checking your 6, and less cockpit switch and control error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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