DSplayer Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) Missiles like the AIM-9B, AIM-9J, AIM-9Ps, and R-60s are missing the nozzle_exit_area value while other missiles like the AIM-9L, R-27s, AIM-7s, and AIM-120s all have a nozzle_exit_area value. Here's a list that I've complied of missiles that I've noticed that are missing a nozzle_exit_area value: AIM-9B/GAR-8, AIM-9J, AIM-9P, AIM-9P5, AIM-9X, R-60, R-60M, R-24T, R-24R, R-40T, R-40R, R-3S, R-3R, R-13M, R-13M1, RS2US. There are most likely some missiles that I am missing that do not have that value. Edited August 15, 2022 by DSplayer 1 -Tinkerer, Certified F-14 and AIM-54 Nut | Discord: @dsplayer Setup: i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB 3066Mhz, Lots of Storage, Saitek/Logitech X56 HOTAS, TrackIR + TrackClipPro Modules: F-14, F/A-18, JF-17, F-16C, Mirage 2000C, FC3, F-5E, Mi-24P, AJS-37, AV-8B, A-10C II, AH-64D, MiG-21bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, P-51D, Mirage F1, L-39, C-101, SA342M, Ka-50 III, Supercarrier, F-15E Maps: Caucasus, Marianas, South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, Syria, Nevada Mods I've Made: F-14 Factory Clean Cockpit Mod | Modern F-14 Weapons Mod | Iranian F-14 Weapons Pack | F-14B Nozzle Percentage Mod + Label Fix | AIM-23 Hawk Mod for F-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Also comparing SD-10, AIM-120, R-27, R-33, found some pretty large inconsistencies in the nozzle exit area value, where smaller rockets might’ve had an even larger value. It is definitly an important value and I am glad that ED is close to having it fully implemented! Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSplayer Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) On 8/11/2022 at 5:34 PM, AeriaGloria said: Also comparing SD-10, AIM-120, R-27, R-33, found some pretty large inconsistencies in the nozzle exit area value, where smaller rockets might’ve had an even larger value. It is definitly an important value and I am glad that ED is close to having it fully implemented! Well the inconsistencies are probably intentional since the missiles do vary in diameter and the nozzles vary with that too. When comparing the 3D models, you can see the nozzle sizes varying greatly from missile to missile. The value is in square meters btw. Edited August 15, 2022 by DSplayer -Tinkerer, Certified F-14 and AIM-54 Nut | Discord: @dsplayer Setup: i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB 3066Mhz, Lots of Storage, Saitek/Logitech X56 HOTAS, TrackIR + TrackClipPro Modules: F-14, F/A-18, JF-17, F-16C, Mirage 2000C, FC3, F-5E, Mi-24P, AJS-37, AV-8B, A-10C II, AH-64D, MiG-21bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, P-51D, Mirage F1, L-39, C-101, SA342M, Ka-50 III, Supercarrier, F-15E Maps: Caucasus, Marianas, South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, Syria, Nevada Mods I've Made: F-14 Factory Clean Cockpit Mod | Modern F-14 Weapons Mod | Iranian F-14 Weapons Pack | F-14B Nozzle Percentage Mod + Label Fix | AIM-23 Hawk Mod for F-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, DSplayer said: Well the inconsistencies are probably intentional since the missiles do vary in diameter and the nozzles vary with that too. When comparing the 3D models, you can see the nozzle sizes varying greatly from missile to missile. The value is in square meters btw. It is but there are some missiles that should have a larger value then others, but are actually smaller. So yes they are all supposed to be different, but an R-33 isn’t suppossed to have a smaller nozzle then a AIM-7 or something you know? I’ll try find exactly where I found those inconsistencies…… AIM-7: 0.00724 AIM-120: 0.0132 SD-10: 0.025 R-27R: 0.018 R-27ER: 0.032 R-33E: 0.025 R-77: 0.02835 perhaos I over exxagerated, but I was very surprised their data has the R-33 with the same size nozzle as SD-10, but smaller then R-27E. And the AIM-7 nozzle is almost half the size of the AIM-120 nozzle! Seems a bit odd, AIM-7 should definitly have larger nozzle then AIM-120 right? Edited August 16, 2022 by AeriaGloria Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSplayer Posted August 16, 2022 Author Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, AeriaGloria said: It is but there are some missiles that should have a larger value then others, but are actually smaller. So yes they are all supposed to be different, but an R-33 isn’t suppossed to have a smaller nozzle then a AIM-7 or something you know? I’ll try find exactly where I found those inconsistencies…… AIM-7: 0.00724 AIM-120: 0.0132 SD-10: 0.025 R-27R: 0.018 R-27ER: 0.032 R-33E: 0.025 R-77: 0.02835 perhaos I over exxagerated, but I was very surprised their data has the R-33 with the same size nozzle as SD-10, but smaller then R-27E. And the AIM-7 nozzle is almost half the size of the AIM-120 nozzle! Seems a bit odd, AIM-7 should definitly have larger nozzle then AIM-120 right? R-33's value is 0.025 square meters which means that the diameter of the nozzle exit area of ~7 inches or almost 18 centimeters. In regards to the AIM-7, the nozzle is considerably smaller than the diameter of the missile since the rear tapers inwards a bit and there is alot of area inbetween the side and the nozzle of the motor when compared to the AIM-120. Image of the rear end of the AIM-120C-5, AIM-7M, and AIM-9M (has a nozzle exit area of 0.0068 sq meter which gives it a diameter of 3.663 inches). You can see the visible difference in nozzle exit areas and how the AIM-7 is super small (and just a bit larger than the AIM-9) when compared to the AIM-120. Spoiler In regards to the SD-10 when compared to the AIM-120C-5 values, it seems like the SD-10 has an incorrect value or the external model isn't exactly correct. Spoiler R-27ER vs R-33 (R-27 does have a bigger nozzle it seems) vs R-77 Spoiler EDIT: SD-10 lined up exactly-ish with the AIM-120C-5 (nozzle is a little bit smaller than the AIM-120): Spoiler Edited August 16, 2022 by DSplayer -Tinkerer, Certified F-14 and AIM-54 Nut | Discord: @dsplayer Setup: i7-8700k, GTX 1080 Ti, 32GB 3066Mhz, Lots of Storage, Saitek/Logitech X56 HOTAS, TrackIR + TrackClipPro Modules: F-14, F/A-18, JF-17, F-16C, Mirage 2000C, FC3, F-5E, Mi-24P, AJS-37, AV-8B, A-10C II, AH-64D, MiG-21bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, P-51D, Mirage F1, L-39, C-101, SA342M, Ka-50 III, Supercarrier, F-15E Maps: Caucasus, Marianas, South Atlantic, Persian Gulf, Syria, Nevada Mods I've Made: F-14 Factory Clean Cockpit Mod | Modern F-14 Weapons Mod | Iranian F-14 Weapons Pack | F-14B Nozzle Percentage Mod + Label Fix | AIM-23 Hawk Mod for F-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 17 hours ago, DSplayer said: R-33's value is 0.025 square meters which means that the diameter of the nozzle exit area of ~7 inches or almost 18 centimeters. In regards to the AIM-7, the nozzle is considerably smaller than the diameter of the missile since the rear tapers inwards a bit and there is alot of area inbetween the side and the nozzle of the motor when compared to the AIM-120. Image of the rear end of the AIM-120C-5, AIM-7M, and AIM-9M (has a nozzle exit area of 0.0068 sq meter which gives it a diameter of 3.663 inches). You can see the visible difference in nozzle exit areas and how the AIM-7 is super small (and just a bit larger than the AIM-9) when compared to the AIM-120. Hide contents In regards to the SD-10 when compared to the AIM-120C-5 values, it seems like the SD-10 has an incorrect value or the external model isn't exactly correct. Hide contents R-27ER vs R-33 (R-27 does have a bigger nozzle it seems) vs R-77 Hide contents EDIT: SD-10 lined up exactly-ish with the AIM-120C-5 (nozzle is a little bit smaller than the AIM-120): Hide contents Wow, super great job!! I stand corrected!!! Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Solution Маэстро Posted August 21, 2022 ED Team Solution Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/5/2022 at 3:52 AM, DSplayer said: Missiles like the AIM-9B, AIM-9J, AIM-9Ps, and R-60s are missing the nozzle_exit_area value while other missiles like the AIM-9L, R-27s, AIM-7s, and AIM-120s all have a nozzle_exit_area value. Here's a list that I've complied of missiles that I've noticed that are missing a nozzle_exit_area value: AIM-9B/GAR-8, AIM-9J, AIM-9P, AIM-9P5, AIM-9X, R-60, R-60M, R-24T, R-24R, R-40T, R-40R, R-3S, R-3R, R-13M, R-13M1, RS2US. There are most likely some missiles that I am missing that do not have that value. Usually we add nozzle_exit_area value after accurate ballistics adjustment, so missiles with old FM data have no this option. I'll add that area for AIM-9J/P/P5, others will receive it after FM update. 1 1 YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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