Viciam1 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Hello, is airframe failure a thing for f16? If you're in a dive at full burn and going like mach 1.6+ and pull up fully...will the plane break up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 In DCS, possibly. Wing breaking is or at least was a thing in DCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdgeschwader Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) vor 2 Stunden schrieb Viciam1: Hello, is airframe failure a thing for f16? If you're in a dive at full burn and going like mach 1.6+ and pull up fully...will the plane break up? It might happen if you carry a full AG payload and try to pull 9g's Edited August 5, 2022 by Jagdgeschwader "If we don't end war, war will end us." H. G. Wells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viciam1 Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 I meant in dcs? I think it may have happened to me so just wondering if thats the case or whether a missile hit me. Im not entirely sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 i have never done it in viper. though i did yank the stick in tomcat once and jester screamed. the plane got messed up pretty bad. https://www.pcwiseman.com/downloads_files/Tacview-20210415-173505-DCS-SYR.acmi AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 16 hours ago, Viciam1 said: Hello, is airframe failure a thing for f16? If you're in a dive at full burn and going like mach 1.6+ and pull up fully...will the plane break up? On full load it can brake indeed. https://youtu.be/1Qm0n4DrKQM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 on the climb too lol. did it kill the pilot? AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, silverdevil said: on the climb too lol. did it kill the pilot? As much as I tested, it never broke when going down, always up. And it never killed the pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverdevil Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 45 minutes ago, skywalker22 said: As much as I tested, it never broke when going down, always up. And it never killed the pilot. the tomcat in my example was in level flight when i pulled up and broke into pieces. AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacarino111 Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 37 minutes ago, silverdevil said: the tomcat in my example was in level flight when i pulled up and broke into pieces. Same here. And once, in the Viper, with some damage due to some bad taxiing, I lost a wing when I fired a AGM65 (same wing as the Maverik, indeed). The wings where showing some damages (visually, I mean/I thought)). I found myself ina left hand roll, and when looking from outside I saw there was no lft wing! Couriouse... Saludos.Saca111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ephir0th Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I think it shouldn’t unless you have the wrong CAT for the loadout (CAT I with a A/G loadout), FLCS shouldn’t let you break anything NZXT H9 Flow Black | Intel Core i5 13600KF OCed P5.6 E4.4 | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5-6000 32GB C30 OCed 6600 C32 | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition | Western Digital SN770 2TB | Gigabyte GP-UD1000GM PG5 ATX 3.0 1000W | SteelSeries Apex 7 | Razer Viper Mini | SteelSeries Artics Nova 7 | LG OLED42C2 | Xiaomi P1 55" Virpil T-50 CM2 Base + Thrustmaster Warthog Stick | WinWing Orion 2 F16EX Viper Throttle | WinWing ICP | 3 x Thrustmaster MFD | Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals | Oculus Quest 2 DCS World | Persian Gulf | Syria | Flaming Cliff 3 | P-51D Mustang | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | Fw-109 A-8 | A-10C II Tank Killer | F/A-18C Hornet | F-14B Tomcat | F-16C Viper | F-15E Strike Eagle | M2000C | Ka-50 BlackShark III | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | SuperCarrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavo89 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 The airplane does not allow you to reach that breaking limit, also your physical limits prevent you from doing so, and as if that were not enough, the viper is designed to withstand many G-forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 6 hours ago, 5ephir0th said: I think it shouldn’t unless you have the wrong CAT for the loadout (CAT I with a A/G loadout), FLCS shouldn’t let you break anything This is an incorrect assumption. FLCS laws do not protect against overstress. They only protect against departure from controlled flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viciam1 Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 Well i mean the video matey above posted clearly shows the f16 breaking apart. Soooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorianR666 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) On 8/7/2022 at 11:04 AM, 5ephir0th said: I think it shouldn’t unless you have the wrong CAT for the loadout (CAT I with a A/G loadout), FLCS shouldn’t let you break anything f-16, unlike f/a-18, doesnt protect you from over-G'ing the plane when its heavily loaded (or the carried munitions). you have to take care of that manually. and if i recall correctly, CAT is AoA-limiter. to answer OP's question: accumulated stress is implemented and your wings will break if push it too far. Edited August 8, 2022 by dorianR666 1 CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X GPU: AMD RX 580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viciam1 Posted August 8, 2022 Author Share Posted August 8, 2022 I see. So i didnt take a missile to the ass. It was my own doing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAP Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Not sure if it’s possible in DCS but it is also very possible to overspeed the aircraft in a dive. I’ve heard stories of an F-16 pilot that died while severely supersonic in a high speed dive and his canopy melted into his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 My experience of braking the airframe. It has never broken in a dive, but when going upwards: https://youtu.be/1Qm0n4DrKQM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarZat Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 One time on the growling sidewinder server i was defensive in a dive going very fast and i had 2 bags and A-A loadout. I was then doing full stick back to avoid CFIT and i must have been in the transonic region or something but suddenly i pulled ton of Gs (think it was 15Gs) and my wings broke. I dont think the FLCS is fully in control in the transonic region. I have had the same thing happen more times, though i recognized it quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywalker22 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, VarZat said: One time on the growling sidewinder server i was defensive in a dive going very fast and i had 2 bags and A-A loadout. I was then doing full stick back to avoid CFIT and i must have been in the transonic region or something but suddenly i pulled ton of Gs (think it was 15Gs) and my wings broke. I dont think the FLCS is fully in control in the transonic region. I have had the same thing happen more times, though i recognized it quickly. 15? What I have seen so far is only 9.8 I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurts Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 13 hours ago, ASAP said: Not sure if it’s possible in DCS but it is also very possible to overspeed the aircraft in a dive. I’ve heard stories of an F-16 pilot that died while severely supersonic in a high speed dive and his canopy melted into his face. That is not what happened, so wherever you heard those stories from is not being honest. There has never been a canopy melting failure on the F-16. The pilot that died did so because he exceeded 850KCAS in a dive and the older F100 engines did not have adequate self protection so the engine tried to keep up with the speed, the compressor disks expanded and cut the engine wall, things fragmented, the engine exploded, and the pilot ejected. Both arms and both legs broke hitting the supersonic airstream, the pilot drowned. My source? People who flew F-16s at the time and knew the guy, worked on the F100 engines, and wrote the 800KCAS limit into the flight manual prior to the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAP Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Spurts said: That is not what happened, so wherever you heard those stories from is not being honest. There has never been a canopy melting failure on the F-16. The pilot that died did so because he exceeded 850KCAS in a dive and the older F100 engines did not have adequate self protection so the engine tried to keep up with the speed, the compressor disks expanded and cut the engine wall, things fragmented, the engine exploded, and the pilot ejected. Both arms and both legs broke hitting the supersonic airstream, the pilot drowned. My source? People who flew F-16s at the time and knew the guy, worked on the F100 engines, and wrote the 800KCAS limit into the flight manual prior to the incident. Thanks for setting the record straight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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