[OB 2.7.16.28157] Rb24, Rb24J, and Rb74s stats do not match the current AIM-9B, AIM-9J, and AIM-9L

[DSplayer]

Bug: Rb24, Rb24J, and Rb74s stats do not match the AIM-9B, AIM-9J, and AIM-9L. Rb24J also uses the AIM-9P5 model instead of the AIM-9J model.

 

Can I reproduce it 100%: Yes

 

How to reproduce/description:

 

Step 1: Use an AIM-9B, AIM-9J, and AIM-9L

 

Step 2: Use an Rb 24, Rb 24J, Rb 74.

 

Step 3: Compare.

 

Result: The AIM-9B, AIM-9J, and AIM-9L have different performance when compared to the Viggen's Rb 24, Rb 24J, and Rb 74 respectively. Rb24J also uses the AIM-9P5 model instead of the AIM-9J model.

 

DCS Version: Open Beta 2.7.16.28157

 

Mods: No mods are used that change the Viggen's Weapons.lua file.

 

DiffChecker links utilizing stats lifted from Quaggles' DCS lua Datamine:

DiffChecker AIM-9B vs Rb 24

DiffChecker AIM-9J vs Rb 24J

DiffChecker AIM-9L vs Rb 74

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by DSplayer

[Sideburns]

@DSplayera while back there was a similar but different issue spotted with the Rb24j, values affecting manoeuvrability were out and then corrected. The issue is described at 

But the key detail for your own report is "The Rb24J has been updated to be in sync with the AIM-9P parameters, should be in the next patch.". In my own brief research there were a variety of explanations as to what the Rb24j is meant to be, but the dominant explanation is an improved Aim9-B to Aim9-J standard with some local Swedish improvements (better seekers, electronics, guidance logic and laser fuse for warhead, etc) meaning it was equivalent to an Aim9-P series Sidewinder. Do you have a source for aligning the Rb24j to the Aim9-J base model? I think HB are deliberately modelling the RB24j to be an Aim9-P equivalent.

https://www.aef.se/Flygvapnet/Notiser/Sidewinder.htm

[near_blind]

Quote

The RB 74 corresponds to the AIM-9L version based on the AIM-9J version.
[...]
The RB74 was produced in Europe, Japan and the USA and began to be supplied to the Swedish FV in 1986 . .

So is it an AIM-9L, an AIM-9J, or neither fish nor fowl?

[Machalot]

Submitted to the official bug tracker. 

[DSplayer]

9 hours ago, Sideburns said:

@DSplayera while back there was a similar but different issue spotted with the Rb24j, values affecting manoeuvrability were out and then corrected. The issue is described at 

But the key detail for your own report is "The Rb24J has been updated to be in sync with the AIM-9P parameters, should be in the next patch.". In my own brief research there were a variety of explanations as to what the Rb24j is meant to be, but the dominant explanation is an improved Aim9-B to Aim9-J standard with some local Swedish improvements (better seekers, electronics, guidance logic and laser fuse for warhead, etc) meaning it was equivalent to an Aim9-P series Sidewinder. Do you have a source for aligning the Rb24j to the Aim9-J base model? I think HB are deliberately modelling the RB24j to be an Aim9-P equivalent.

https://www.aef.se/Flygvapnet/Notiser/Sidewinder.htm

My initial reference for the Rb 24J being an AIM-9J equivalent was the Arboga Robotmuseum but it seems like the Rb 24J is closer to an AIM-9P3 according to other sources. Even then the Rb 24J doesn't match the AIM-9P. Outside of that, Imo I think the AIM-9P variants that we have in game are all in due of an update since the AIM-9J outperforms them both in terms of maneuverability.

DiffChecker AIM-9P vs Rb 24J 

Edited August 13, 2022 by DSplayer

[Sideburns]

17 hours ago, DSplayer said:

My initial reference for the Rb 24J being an AIM-9J equivalent was the Arboga Robotmuseum but it seems like the Rb 24J is closer to an AIM-9P3 according to other sources. Even then the Rb 24J doesn't match the AIM-9P. Outside of that, Imo I think the AIM-9P variants that we have in game are all in due of an update since the AIM-9J outperforms them both in terms of maneuverability.

DiffChecker AIM-9P vs Rb 24J 

 

Cheers for sharing sources, I am aware of this source and as before it is tricky to find a definitive answer on the "what is the Rb24j" question.