J-10B, for future consideration and discussion.

[FlankerFan35]

Hello friends, decided to make this post for everyone's consideration as and for Deka to consider for a down the road project. For this post I'm focusing on early block 10Bs with PL-8B, PL-12, PESA radar and AL-31FN engine. This topic is once again more for consideration and discussion than a fully-fledged request.

 

 This much improved J-10 variant made its maiden flight on December 23, 2008, powered by a Russian AL-31FN engine. The improvements include a DSI/"Bump" inlet which not only cuts weight but also reduces RCS, after a similar design was first tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. The aircraft also features a new indigenous IRST/LR in front of the canopy, a white IFR probe light on the starboard side of the nose, a JF-17 style glass cockpit with a wide-angle holographic HUD, three large color MFDs. The new IRST allows passive detection of enemy aircraft, making J-10B stealthier in combat. Its nose appears flatter too, similar to that of American F-16, housing a new fire-control radar which is thought to be an X-band PESA developed by the 607 Institute (track 10, engage 4 simultaneously), the first of such type ever being developed for a Chinese fighter aircraft, giving J-10B a stronger multi-target engagement and ECCM capability. It was rumored that initially the aircraft was planned to be fitted with an AESA developed by the 14th Institute but the radar was not ready by the time the aircraft was in production. An ECM antenna can also be seen right in front of the canard foreplane on the 1035 prototype. The tip of vertical fin was redesigned as well, featuring a long compartment housing communication and ECM antennas, which resembles that of French Mirage 2000. A rear facing MAWS sensor can be seen underneath the parachute boom. A similar system was tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. RAM coating is also expected in certain areas such as engine inlet and wing leading edges to reduce RCS. All these improvements suggest that J-10B is equipped with a new generation of integrated electronic system connected via an optic HSDB, ranging from radar to EW system. Its mission may be changed from air-superiority to multi-role, such as CAS or EW. For air-superiority mission, normally 6 AAMs (PL-12x4 + PL-8x2 or PL-10x2, PL-12s are carried underneath the dual missile launch rails) are carried. However it is still unclear if it can carry the latest PL-15 AAM. For CAS missions, it is expected to carry 2 KD-88/88A AGMs, or 2 JG-500 LGBs, or 2 new JG-500B 500kg LGBs. 2 YJ-91s can be carried for SEAD missions. The laser designator pod is thought to be K/JDC01A. A K/RKL700A ECM pod can also be carried underneath the engine air intake for enhanced EW capability. Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60. The 03 prototype (1033) first flew in August 2009, with the pitot tube removed from the nose tip. Both 1031 & 1034 prototypes were tested at CFTE. An indigenous WS-10B turbofan engine was tested for some time on 1035 in 2011 but did not proceed forward.  J-10B is likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF. In March 2013 the 1031 prototype was seen with ECM antennas installed ahead of the canard foreplanes similar to those onboard 1035, which represents the final configuration before the production. The production of J-10B finally started in 2013 after the delivery of a new batch of AL-31FN Series 3 engines (13.7t with A/B). By May 2015 around 53 01 batch J-10Bs had been produced and the delivery started in 2014, possibly to the PLAAF Flight Test & Training Base, PLAAF 5th Brigade and the 61st Brigade (S/N 78x1x, 61x6x, 66x7x, 67x2x, 78x7x?). Meanwhile a further upgraded variant (J-10C) with an AESA radar was under development. Recent images (September 2015) indicated that the improved WS-10B turbofan with FADEC has been installed onboard the last two J-10Bs of the 01 batch (#0155 & 0156, S/N 78x1x?), suggesting the engine has finally overcome the reliability issues and is ready to power the remaining batches of J-10Cs. J-10B was officially unveiled at the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow, carrying dual PL-12 missile launch rails. A recent image (December 2017) indicated that a new WS-10B3 turbofan engine with a stealth sawtooth TVC nozzle was tested onboard the J-10B #1034 engine testbed. The test results could be beneficial to the current J-20 project. First flight occurred on December 25, 2017. The latest image (December 2020) indicated that some J-10Bs started to wear a new low-visibility PLAAF insignia and serial number. Their IFF antennas were also upgraded.

DSI/Bump Inlet, domestic IRST(right side of nose) and ECM antennae forward of canards and near the top of the vertical stabilizer. Rear MAWS sensor under parachute boom.

 

 

Possible K/JDC01A target designation pod/FLIR (top) and K/RKL700A ECM pod (bottom).

So, why the J-10B and not C/A?

I chose the J-10B as, like the F-16C Blk 50 we have this 10B is right in that middle area in terms of modern equipment and also has the potential to be upgraded down the line should Deka only be able to do an early version. For instance, should Deka add this aircraft it could come with a PESA radar, PL-12 and 8B missiles and then Saturn AL-31FN Series 3 engine and later be upgraded (if possible) with an AESA radar, PL-15 and 10 missiles and WS-10 engine just to name a few.

General Statistics. J-10B:

Crew: 1

 

Length: 16.9 m (55 ft 5 in)

Wingspan: 9.8 m (32 ft 2 in)

Height: 5.7 m (18 ft 8 in)

Wing area: 37 m² (400 sq ft)

Empty weight: 9,750 kg (21,495 lb)(?)

Max takeoff weight: 17,236 kg (41,887 lb)

Fuel capacity: 4950 L (3860 Kg) internal. 4000 L (3120 Kg) external with 3 drop tanks (2x1600L + 1x800L)l

Powerplant: 1 × WS-10B afterburning turbofan engines, 89.17 kN (20,050 lbf) thrust dry, 142 kN (31,922 lbf) with afterburner (?) or AL-31FN Series 3 (relocated gearbox similar to RD-93), 76.19 kN (17, 129 lbf) thrust dry (?), 134.3 kN (30,200 lbf) with afterburner.

Performance:

Maximum speed: Mach 1.85 (1.5 fully loaded)

 

Stall speed: 200 km/h (120 mph, 110 kn)

Range: 2,500 km (1,600 mi, 1,300 nmi) 

Combat range: 1,240 or 2,600 km (770 or 1,620 mi, 670 or 1,400 nmi) 

Ferry range: 4,600 km (2,900 mi, 2,500 nmi)

Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,000 ft) 

g limits: +9/-3

Rate of climb: 300 m/s (59,000 ft/min) (?)

Wing loading: 381 kg/m² (78 lb/sq ft)

Armament

 

Guns: 1× Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23

Hardpoints: 11 in total (6× under-wing, 2× under-intake and 3× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 5600 kg of external fuel and ordnance

Rockets: 90 mm unguided rocket pods

Missiles:

• Air-to-air missiles:
• PL-8
  • PL-10 (later)
    PL-12
    PL-15 (later)
  • Air-to-surface missiles:
    KD-88 (later)
    YJ-91(later)
  • Bombs:
• Laser-guided bombs: (LT-2)
  Glide bombs: (LS-6, GB3, GB2A, GB3A)
  Satellite-guided bombs: (FT-1)
  Unguided bombs: 250 kg, 500 kg

• Others:
• Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage, 2× under-wing) for extended range and loitering time

Avionics

Type-1473 (?) (KLJ-3 later version) (?) Pulse Doppler fire control radar, track 10 engage 4, 148km maximum range (?) or 607 Institute AESA.

External:

K/JDC01A targeting pod .

KL700A ECM pod.

 

AL-31FN.

 

WS-10B

 

Radar Warning Receiver, not clear on if same model used on J-10B.

Edited September 5, 2022 by FlankerFan35

[FlankerFan35]

Should I do J-10A next?

[F-2]

I’d love a B but I think an A is a bit more likely given the JF-17 we have is very similar in terms of avionics. It’s all a matter of what the PLAAF is comfortable with if anything.

[FlankerFan35]

1 hour ago, F-2 said:

I’d love a B but I think an A is a bit more likely given the JF-17 we have is very similar in terms of avionics. It’s all a matter of what the PLAAF is comfortable with if anything.

Same, A is more likely, but B is ideal. 

I can do a J-10A topic as well, should I?

[okopanja]

3 hours ago, F-2 said:

I’d love a B but I think an A is a bit more likely given the JF-17 we have is very similar in terms of avionics. It’s all a matter of what the PLAAF is comfortable with if anything.

Looks nicer and faster...

[F-2]

 

so I found this

https://www.sohu.com/a/425675784_120618719

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1Dv411z7wY

Claims to be an official J-10y simulator running on DCS. Not sure if it’s just a mod to look real with a cockpit ride or if it’s based on a real sim

[amalahama]

That's not a J-10, but a J-11

2 hours ago, F-2 said:

 

so I found this

https://www.sohu.com/a/425675784_120618719

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1Dv411z7wY

Claims to be an official J-10y simulator running on DCS. Not sure if it’s just a mod to look real with a cockpit ride or if it’s based on a real sim

 

[FlankerFan35]

2 hours ago, F-2 said:

 

so I found this

https://www.sohu.com/a/425675784_120618719

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1Dv411z7wY

Claims to be an official J-10y simulator running on DCS. Not sure if it’s just a mod to look real with a cockpit ride or if it’s based on a real sim

If it's real gotta let Deka know lol

[Torbernite]

3小时前，F-2说：

 

so I found this

https://www.sohu.com/a/425675784_120618719

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1Dv411z7wY

Claims to be an official J-10y simulator running on DCS. Not sure if it’s just a mod to look real with a cockpit ride or if it’s based on a real sim

Very likely that's not official at all. There're many low level simulator suppliers in China. Some (not all of them) provides relatively reliable civil products even suitable for training, BUT their military products are just for entertainment or basic educational usage. Most of these products can only go to amusement park or shopping center (even not an airshow) with kids in them.