Mission 3- failed mission, trying to figure out why

[MeneMene]

Hello-

Loving the campaign so far, tons of nice immersive details. I'm struggling with the last part of mission 3. Took off, found and escorted the Blackjack south, it sped off in afterburner. I then get told to scout out the russian airbase from standoff distance off the coast. I head south, 20 miles off the coast, get below the clouds, look around with the T-pod. See the Blackjack come in to land. Staying around 20 miles from the airbase due west, occasionally I get a SAM lock on me as a warning and I turn back, no launches. Right after the Blackjack lands, I got a mission failed message...... not sure why? I might have crossed the 20nm limit by a little bit, but at no point was I closer than 19-19.5nm from the waypoint at the airbase. Sometimes it can be difficult to judge distance from geographic features because the HSI map only shows up on 10nm scale on the Syria map. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Is that 20nm a hard limit, and if I cross I fail? I feel like there should be better guidance about what I'm supposed to do and what I'm doing wrong.

 

Thanks

Edited September 11, 2022 by MeneMene

[ChillNG]

44 minutes ago, MeneMene said:

Hello-

Loving the campaign so far, tons of nice immersive details. I'm struggling with the last part of mission 3. Took off, found and escorted the Blackjack south, it sped off in afterburner. I then get told to scout out the russian airbase from standoff distance off the coast. I head south, 20 miles off the coast, get below the clouds, look around with the T-pod. See the Blackjack come in to land. Staying around 20 miles from the airbase due west, occasionally I get a SAM lock on me as a warning and I turn back, no launches. Right after the Blackjack lands, I got a mission failed message...... not sure why? I might have crossed the 20nm limit by a little bit, but at no point was I closer than 19-19.5nm from the waypoint at the airbase. Sometimes it can be difficult to judge distance from geographic features because the HSI map only shows up on 10nm scale on the Syria map. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? Is that 20nm a hard limit, and if I cross I fail? I feel like there should be better guidance about what I'm supposed to do and what I'm doing wrong.

 

Thanks

 

Hi, the mission will fail if the Blackjack is killed or hit, so it sounds like something is causing this to trigger when it lands.  I've not has any other reports if this yet, so it's either a newly introduced bug that you're the first to see or potentially something conflicting on your system.  Can I ask if you have any mods installed at all?

[MeneMene]

1 hour ago, ChillNG said:

Hi, the mission will fail if the Blackjack is killed or hit, so it sounds like something is causing this to trigger when it lands.  I've not has any other reports if this yet, so it's either a newly introduced bug that you're the first to see or potentially something conflicting on your system.  Can I ask if you have any mods installed at all?

No mods apart from the echo 19 sound mods. I didn't have the TGP on the Blackjack when I got the message, I was in the middle of a 180 turn reversal so it was temporarily blanked out as I was repositioning.  Looking at the tacview, it looks like it just completely disappears shortly after landing, no messages about damage/death.

[ChillNG]

21 minutes ago, MeneMene said:

No mods apart from the echo 19 sound mods. I didn't have the TGP on the Blackjack when I got the message, I was in the middle of a 180 turn reversal so it was temporarily blanked out as I was repositioning.  Looking at the tacview, it looks like it just completely disappears shortly after landing, no messages about damage/death.

Ok, did this happen just once or on multiple attempts?  The Blackjack will deactivate once landed, which is recorded as kill, but providing you've started the base scouting task then this won't count as an active flag blocks the trigger.  Just checked the triggers - to enable the flag that prevents the despawn counting as a kill you need to press spacebar to clear this message:

 

Proceed south and hold off the coast adjacent to Bassel Al Assad Airport.

(N 35°24’34”  E 35°56’55”).  Press spacebar to remove this message and proceed.

 

Can you confirm you pressed spacebar, the message would stay up a long time if you didn't.

Couple of other things to check, there is a similar fail condition set a bit later involving some Mig-29s, most player don't get close to them but there is a scripted moment if you close on them.  If these are either hit or if a missile is fired then the fail mission applies...so it's possible jettisoning a missile would fail the mission, can you confirm that neither of these occurred?  From what you've described I don't think you're at that bit yet but worth checking.

[MeneMene]

11 minutes ago, ChillNG said:

Ok, did this happen just once or on multiple attempts?  The Blackjack will deactivate once landed, which is recorded as kill, but providing you've started the base scouting task then this won't count as an active flag blocks the trigger.  Just checked the triggers - to enable the flag that prevents the despawn counting as a kill you need to press spacebar to clear this message:

 

Proceed south and hold off the coast adjacent to Bassel Al Assad Airport.

(N 35°24’34”  E 35°56’55”).  Press spacebar to remove this message and proceed.

 

Can you confirm you pressed spacebar, the message would stay up a long time if you didn't.

Couple of other things to check, there is a similar fail condition set a bit later involving some Mig-29s, most player don't get close to them but there is a scripted moment if you close on them.  If these are either hit or if a missile is fired then the fail mission applies...so it's possible jettisoning a missile would fail the mission, can you confirm that neither of these occurred?  From what you've described I don't think you're at that bit yet but worth checking.

Oohhhh... that's probably it. I in fact didn't not press the space bar. Was looking at the coordinates to make the reference waypoint and then got distracted and forgot about it. Was only the one attempt. Will try again and report back, thanks.

[ChillNG]

1 minute ago, MeneMene said:

Oohhhh... that's probably it. I in fact didn't not press the space bar. Was looking at the coordinates to make the reference waypoint and then got distracted and forgot about it. Was only the one attempt. Will try again and report back, thanks.

Ok cheers, hopefully that will sort it.  It's highlighted a slight vulnerability in the triggers so I'll look to patch that out soon.

[MeneMene]

Works as designed now

[ChillNG]

1 hour ago, MeneMene said:

Works as designed now

Awesome, thanks for letting me know!

[wowbagger]

I just had the same issue - mission failed .... presumably for not pressing the space bar to clear that message.

Given that we can now review any and all messages on demand, perhaps you could make this one now auto-close and not lead to an unexplained mission failure here. 

cheers

[ChillNG]

I'll have another look, thought I had that fixed.  There are certain conditions the mission will fail though, mainly if you get into any engagement with Russian forces, I'm assuming that didn't happen?

[wowbagger]

Yes, correct. There was nothing out the ordinary.

Spoiler

Escorted the Blackjack until it went super sonic.

Made our way to AL Assad - stayed just outside, to the west, of the SAM ring on the SA page. And watched the Blackjack seemingly arrive there on the SA page.

Was fiddling with the hated t-pod to figure out why it seemed to be pointing in the water instead of at the airbase (I'm sure it was coordinate format error on my part). When the mission failed message popped up with out reason. Definitely had the :

Proceed south and hold off the coast adjacent to Bassel Al Assad Airport.

(N 35°24’34”  E 35°56’55”).  Press spacebar to remove this message and proceed.

message still onscreen - since it's a little ambiguous whether you should press space once you have read it, or once you have complied with it.

 

Been very impressed with the way you wove in the real world considerations and tensions in the complex ToO. Nice work.

[ChillNG]

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

Yes, correct. There was nothing out the ordinary.

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Escorted the Blackjack until it went super sonic.

Made our way to AL Assad - stayed just outside, to the west, of the SAM ring on the SA page. And watched the Blackjack seemingly arrive there on the SA page.

Was fiddling with the hated t-pod to figure out why it seemed to be pointing in the water instead of at the airbase (I'm sure it was coordinate format error on my part). When the mission failed message popped up with out reason. Definitely had the :

Proceed south and hold off the coast adjacent to Bassel Al Assad Airport.

(N 35°24’34”  E 35°56’55”).  Press spacebar to remove this message and proceed.

message still onscreen - since it's a little ambiguous whether you should press space once you have read it, or once you have complied with it.

 

Been very impressed with the way you wove in the real world considerations and tensions in the complex ToO. Nice work.

Thanks, I'll dig back into it and tighten the triggers up.