Floyd1212 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) This was part of another thread that got merged, so posting again in its own thread... As of the 9/21/2022 patch, the Symbology Select Switch Up and Down is bugged when playing in multiplayer with a human CPG. Once the human CPG joins the aircraft, the Up and Down commands will "double press" so that it won't stay on the desired mode. (Work-around: You can quickly press Up twice to get it to execute 3 times, and stay on Transition Mode, for example.) This does not occur in SP, or in MP when George is in the front seat, only when a human CPG is present. Note: These binds were cleared in this patch release, so you will need to rebind these functions as well. Edited September 26, 2022 by Floyd1212 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Raptor9 Posted September 26, 2022 ED Team Share Posted September 26, 2022 Just to make sure I understand the precise conditions this occurs. If a single human is in multiplayer, but flying alone in either seat, the symbology select works as it should. But as soon as a second human joins in multiplayer, that's when it doesn't work correctly any more? And does it work incorrectly for both human players after the second human joins, or just one crewstation? Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE] T-Bone Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) Your explanation is correct. Once you are alone in the MP, the modes work as they should. As soon as a human CPG gets in, the error occurs. And the error occurs on the pilot seat as well as on the CPG seat. Edit: Added track files from CPG seat. IHADDS-Symb.Bug.trk DxDiag.txt Logs.zip IHADDS-Symb.Bug_CPG.trk Edited September 26, 2022 by [Eule-22] T-Bone 1 Specs: R7 3800X, 32Gb 3600Mhz, RTX 2070 S, M2 SSd 970 Pro Equipment: microHELIS Bell 206 Pedale + Toe-Brakes, microHELIS OH-58D Collective, microHELIS OH-58D Cyclic, Realteus Forcefeel, TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Interestingly I've been flying CPG with a human crewmate since the update and had no such issue. Although everyone who's sat in the back has had the issue. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoGer Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Swift. said: Interestingly I've been flying CPG with a human crewmate since the update and had no such issue. Although everyone who's sat in the back has had the issue. I don't typically change the symbology when CPG, since I'm watching TV anyway and changing symbology messes with the pilots helmet display as they are synchronized (are they supposed to be?). But I have noticed that as pilot they symbology will change twice in rapid succession, which has been a bug with multiple other things. Maybe there is some deeper root cause that needs fixing instead of patching individual buttons that don't work all the time. All of those things also have in common that it only happens in multicrew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, FalcoGer said: I don't typically change the symbology when CPG, since I'm watching TV anyway and changing symbology messes with the pilots helmet display as they are synchronized (are they supposed to be?). But I have noticed that as pilot they symbology will change twice in rapid succession, which has been a bug with multiple other things. Maybe there is some deeper root cause that needs fixing instead of patching individual buttons that don't work all the time. All of those things also have in common that it only happens in multicrew. To note with the pilots double press, its pressing once on depress and again on release. So you if you press and hold it will do a single action and then when you eventually release it does the second action. 2 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Raptor9 Posted September 26, 2022 ED Team Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, FalcoGer said: as they are synchronized (are they supposed to be?). Yes. 2 minutes ago, Swift. said: To note with the pilots double press, its pressing once on depress and again on release. So you if you press and hold it will do a single action and then when you eventually release it does the second action. Thanks for that additional information. Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picure Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Didnt happen to me the other day, but today it happened. Unable to get the desired symbology, can only get the ladder or the hover point symbology. The other two symbologies i had to keep my SS switch held down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd1212 Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 As a work-around you can press "up" twice quickly and get it to change and stay on Transition Mode. Fidget with the timing to get it to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex225 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Can confirm this is happening for me as well (back seat in multiplayer with a human CPG). Works fine as backseat when in single player or in a multiplayer server with George as CPG. This only happens to me with a human CPG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belphe Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Experiencing the same bug Never say never, Baby! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoS72 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 The same thing happened to me last night. I rarely play multi-crew so when I had a human CPG, I got the same indication as the OP. Human CPG caused the Symbology Select to "skip" over Transition mode and went into Navigation mode. Here is a link to my track file because it is VERY large. The unit to watch is the AH-64 with multi-crew DarkHelmet as Pilot and Usul as Co-pilot/Gunner. Sym Select error example - DarkHelmet (Pilot) Usul (CPG) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumblefox Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Same thing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 5:35 PM, Swift. said: Interestingly I've been flying CPG with a human crewmate since the update and had no such issue. Although everyone who's sat in the back has had the issue. Developing on this. This issue presents for whoever is on the controls, either front or back. And not for the pilot not on the controls. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoS72 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 I found that rapidly selecting Sym Select Switch up twice will select the Transition mode. Use it like a double-click of a mouse button. It would be great to see this minor bug get squashed in the next update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prancibald Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 My friend and I are experiencing this bug as well. Also in 2.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvester.E Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Ditto, have the same issue with human cpg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhe Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Just had this happen to me in MP, human CPG makes symbology select mess up. | i9 12900K | 64GB DDR5-6000 | STRIX RTX 4090 OC | LG 38GN950 38" | | Hanns-G HT225HPB | TIR 5 & Varjo Aero | Virpil Throttle & Stick | TM TPRs | You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift. Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Can confirm this is still an issue, and is impacting the use of the bobup box (inhibiting recentring of the box) directly impacting gameplay (unable to use the bobup box to clear the tail over an obstacle) 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rongor Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Can we edit the title to "multicrew"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 5:52 PM, Raptor9 said: Just to make sure I understand the precise conditions this occurs. If a single human is in multiplayer, but flying alone in either seat, the symbology select works as it should. But as soon as a second human joins in multiplayer, that's when it doesn't work correctly any more? And does it work incorrectly for both human players after the second human joins, or just one crewstation? I can also confirm this bug. It appears in multicrewing for both crewmembers. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[DE] T-Bone Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Should rather be labelled as reported or investigating. Specs: R7 3800X, 32Gb 3600Mhz, RTX 2070 S, M2 SSd 970 Pro Equipment: microHELIS Bell 206 Pedale + Toe-Brakes, microHELIS OH-58D Collective, microHELIS OH-58D Cyclic, Realteus Forcefeel, TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volkhov Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Confirming I have this bug as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarma Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 boring and still there i9 9900k, 64 Go RAM, RTX 4090, Warthog HOTAS Throttle & Stick, Saitek Combat Rudder, MFD Cougar, Trackir 5 Pro, Multipurpose UFC and Oculus Rift S (when I want some VR), http://www.twitch.tv/zarma4074 / https://www.youtube.com/user/Zarma4074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Camarada Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 I just encountered this bug today with some friends, 3 different apaches with human CPGs were not able to simple switch between the hud symbology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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