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55 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Mostly agreed. The P-47D-30 (early) was available from late May 1944 however.

 

Incorrect. They were introduced in early/mid 1943 and represent types still in the frontline in 1944 and reflect the performance of the models from that era.

The I-16 is an outlier provided by a 3rd party and represents a separate theatre. Thus has no real impact on the conversation.

 

Incorrect. It's an amalgamation. The format of the UK airfields available puts it squarely in April 1944. French airfields are more of a mish-mash, some Battle of Britain era, some even reflecting their post war layouts.

 

Agreed in detail but the sentiment remains that currently, the majority of our WW2 assets are focused on a period in the ETO from 1943 till 1945. Are there gaps? Sure. Do I wish to these filled? Absolutely.

But does it not make sense to spend development effort fleshing out that specific time period? Fill the gaps in the current chronology - not supply random assets from irrelevant theatres or campaigns that are not useful in recreating prototypical operations.

 

 

There's difference between we got a bunch of stuff, kinda working together if we close one eye and squint (1944) and DCS is simulating late ww2.

And Normandy map is a 3rd party map and so is a equally valid/not valid to use in this discussion as the 3rd party I-16.

Either you take all of ww2 dcs or just ED ww2. If only ED ww2 then Normandy map also fall out of the equation and we can only discuss ww2 dcs as it relates to the channel map. In which case you have a map more suited for 1939-1941 geographically for operations than 44.

This was one of the reasons storm of war closed its servers. 

 

I agree that it would be better to expand upon the random stuff we got to get to a point where we could say DCS "stimulates late ww2".

But that would need 

Map covering Nederlands and Belgium. 

109Gs for 43/44, P-51B/C for early mid 44.

Spitfire XIV and/or Tempest for the late late war part.

Typhoon for Normandy/Market Garden CAS.

Personally I would love a 43 era P-47 and earlier A model Fw190s to go with it for mid late 43 bomber escort stuff.

But this is equally to about 20 years of DCS,development time.

 

I have no real interest for DCS to go into early/Mid war.

There's already a simulator that deals with western theater 1939/41 superbly. And don't feel the need for anything else there.

 

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1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

And Normandy map is a 3rd party map and so is a equally valid/not valid to use in this discussion as the 3rd party I-16.

Well, here, yes, and no… It's published by Ugramedia, which later on became a third party, true. But at first it was a map commissioned by ED to fulfil RRG's Kickstarter promise (a much smaller map centred over Normandy itself, by the way), and only later on Ugra became a proper third party. It's like Nevada, finally made by ED but at first being a kind of third party at a time where third parties weren't even a thing which promised to include it together with A-10 module but they drop it later so ED had to honour the promise of the quitting third party. Normandy is from a third party, now, but it wasn't at first.

Yes, all the mess with this map and almost all warbirds (aside from P-51 and D-9, and I-16 a lot later) are RRG's mess still to this day. Remember Me262 belongs either to the kickstarter and it'll come at some point just to finish that kickstarter promises, not because it makes sense together with actual planeset and all. But sincerely, personally I'd like to see that Me262 to a DCS level even though it might be a hard fitting on the current maps. The same as I'd like to see those early war planes, and BoB was hinted to come to DCS at some point, so… If it were to be on DCS, I believe that'd be the most complete scenery, planeset and map, we've had in DCS to this day.

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@MAESTR0 one question I have about the Normandy reboot is about spawn points.  On the current Normandy map some airfields have only a few spawn points while in reality the airfield hosted a RAF Fighter Wing or a USAAF Fighter Group of around 75 a/c.  While we can use static a/c and set player a/c to take off from ground to give a sense of being on an operational airfield the 16 or 20 positions at Ford or Tangmere just don't cut it.  Can we expect the remodeled and new additional airfields to have a realistic number of spawn points?

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I dont see the point in the map, The FPS hit in London or Paris, Not to mention A.I units cant seem to navigate through Caen let alone two big cities + I mean are they actually going to add key features and landmarks?. Why not get the core game upto date first so we can actually run the maps in the first place.

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2 minutes ago, Coxy_99 said:

I dont see the point in the map, The FPS hit in London or Paris, Not to mention A.I units cant seem to navigate through Caen let alone two big cities + I mean are they actually going to add key features and landmarks?. Why not get the core game upto date first so we can actually run the maps in the first place.

Ugra are not ED. Ugra have no control over the AI route finding code. Ugra want to make improvements to their Normandy map; what are their coders supposed to do? Sit on their hands and watch the company go bust around them as they wait for ED to fix AI route finding?

I have no doubt that London or Paris will affect frame rates but nothing dictates that you have to play your missions over them; there’s the whole of Normandy and a swathe of Southern England for that!

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1 hour ago, Coxy_99 said:

I dont see the point in the map, The FPS hit in London or Paris, Not to mention A.I units cant seem to navigate through Caen let alone two big cities + I mean are they actually going to add key features and landmarks?. Why not get the core game upto date first so we can actually run the maps in the first place.

I know you know better, but the core is being worked on, the team working on the core has nothing to do with a 3rd Party map, etc etc etc.

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2 hours ago, Coxy_99 said:

I dont see the point in the map, The FPS hit in London or Paris, Not to mention A.I units cant seem to navigate through Caen let alone two big cities + I mean are they actually going to add key features and landmarks?. Why not get the core game upto date first so we can actually run the maps in the first place.

Oh, did I miss something? "FPS hit in London or Paris" Was the map released into beta now or you are just testing it for the developers? 

I am pretty sure they will iron outperformance as the Syria map runs perfectly fine. (Well, for me).

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On 11/10/2022 at 7:35 PM, Gierasimov said:

Oh, did I miss something? "FPS hit in London or Paris" Was the map released into beta now or you are just testing it for the developers? 

I am pretty sure they will iron outperformance as the Syria map runs perfectly fine. (Well, for me).


 

Have you tried flying in Syria and marianas island map? Both FPS hits, Ok for you if it works then isn't it.........

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1 hour ago, Coxy_99 said:


 

Have you tried flying in Syria and marianas island map? Both FPS hits, Ok for you if it works then isn't it.........

Yes I have. Both maps are superb in quality and performance for me (flat screen, 1440p).

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Am 10.11.2022 um 10:07 schrieb DD_Fenrir:

DCS: WW2, as it stands, is currently simulating a

1. late war, 

2. daylight,

3. tactical operations

environment.

The He-111 and Wellington are chronologically and operationally irrelevant in this scenario. 

B-26 and B-25 for the Allies make sense. They were slated for the Asset Pack and hopefully we will see them included in the near future.

The Luftwaffe bomber issue is more knotty. There are a few chronologically relevant types, the He 177, Do 217 & Ju 88S, for example.

The issue is these were almost exclusively used nocturnally. The days of massed daylight Luftwaffe muti-engines bombers in the ETO ended in 1943. 

Don't let the search lights fool, you, DCS: WW2 cannot simulate an accurate air-to-air night-fighting environment currently - no GCI for either side and no radar equipped night-fighters.

Sounds like you chaps want to re-create the Battle of Britain.... Not a thing in DCS right now.

 

True

But what ever they add in WWII on the european theater I will love it.

A 177 would be a blast too. But most likely not so easy to simulate with the two in one engine

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On 11/10/2022 at 8:07 AM, DD_Fenrir said:

Mostly agreed. The P-47D-30 (early) was available from late May 1944 however.

 

Incorrect. They were introduced in early/mid 1943 and represent types still in the frontline in 1944 and reflect the performance of the models from that era.

The I-16 is an outlier provided by a 3rd party and represents a separate theatre. Thus has no real impact on the conversation.

 

Incorrect. It's an amalgamation. The format of the UK airfields available puts it squarely in April 1944. French airfields are more of a mish-mash, some Battle of Britain era, some even reflecting their post war layouts.

 

Agreed in detail but the sentiment remains that currently, the majority of our WW2 assets are focused on a period in the ETO from 1943 till 1945. Are there gaps? Sure. Do I wish to these filled? Absolutely.

But does it not make sense to spend development effort fleshing out that specific time period? Fill the gaps in the current chronology - not supply random assets from irrelevant theatres or campaigns that are not useful in recreating prototypical operations.

 

 

What about a Ju-52 cargo plane?  That should work for the time frame…. AND it gives the allied fighters something to shoot at!

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I think ED's World War II team is small.  I too would like to have new maps, like a Rhemania map and new planes like the Hawker Typhoon (my favorite WW2 plane).  But I don't think ED will be able to make everyone's dream come true.  We have to make concessions in our mission scenarios.  

Although we are not all we can have a lot of fun playing the magnificent campaigns that the campaign designers offer us, like, for example, the campaigns of Reflected which are very immersive.

Merry Christmas to everyone !

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15 hours ago, slipstream21 said:

It’s crazy that’s there’s no updates at all. Normally you get at least weekly update with screenshots, but with this lot there’s nothing. 

You must be relatively new around here. "Normally" means nothing on ED Forums, even less with regard to release dates. Patience, it's coming for sure, and since it's on the list of modules to be released, provided nothing happens, this year (which is rare for ED to make that kind of statement) you can be sure it's sooner than later within a 2023 frame.

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37 minutes ago, slipstream21 said:

2023 timeframe. Lmao. 

They aimed to 2022 end, couldn't make it. I hardly doubt they aren't willing to release mate. I don't get why every harsh comment out there, be it on this topic or any other related to any other to be released module/map, assumes and gives for granted whoever it is the publisher is unwilling to release their work like they only say they are working on something just to tease us all but intend not to release ever 🤣 .

You all with the impatient attitude are the same. Usually next day or so anyone of you say anywhere "this module's dead", "they've dropped down but they aren't telling us", whatever the new BS you come up with, there are news, release dates, whatever, but you all forget to tell "I was an absolute idiot spreading this or that BS all over the internet just because" 😉 .

Whenever it happens the next time don't forget to come here with the same quickness and tell everybody you were plain wrong and behaving like… 😁


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1 hour ago, slipstream21 said:

Within a 2023 timeframe? Are you serious? They stated before end of 22 but may extend into 2023. So you’re stating that it may not be released until Dec? Get a grip. 

When the team are ready to share a date they will, you need to be patient. 

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On 1/15/2023 at 1:38 PM, Walshtimothy said:

So will the Ardennes be just off the edge of this map ? Would be great to have that for some battle of the bulge options .

Paris has very west of any ardenes zone, you need build all belgic, luzemburg and the germand frontier, and that has outside of any Normandy zone.

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